I would think it would be a great car for touring?

 

because it is not a touring car?

 

Yea, they have to run in the GT series, and without factory support they would got rape by other GT Car. Even with factory support, it going to be difficult to win.

 

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Haha. That about sums it up. They would get killed in GT. Vipers and Vettes have 2x the horsepower and only weigh 300lbs more in stock form.

 

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yeah, a touring car must seat at least four. unless the rules changed-

 

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yes...if it were a touring car .

 

Well considering the STi is running in GT, I'd love to see a big fat blower in an S2 engine bay running in GT.

 

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can't there be exceptions to this? lol (inside joke)

 

thread jack in 3...2...1...

is there any book or website that explains all of these little racing class acronyms like GT, and group c, and stuff like that?

you may now return to your regularly scheduled thread...

 

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good question....wasn't there a S/c NSX in GT for a season or two? didn't he do well at a few events, and then like Foo's hatchback, got pennalized by weight?

 

I couldn't imagine the cost to develop one. Stuffing a centrifugal blower on doesn't exactly give it the best power band, plus what are rules on rear end changes? Plus how large of a rear tire can you actually stuff under one, plus the front for that matter? I just think it would cost an insane amount to get one to run with even an out of the box Comp Coupe.

 

Comptech FTW!

 

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good question....wasn't there a S/c NSX in GT for a season or two? didn't he do well at a few events, and then like Foo's hatchback, got pennalized by weight?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes there was, back then it was considered that, SCCA pro was bending over backwards, for RTR. Since the cars are supposed to be production based, and the NSX was never sold with a supercharger. In todays game though with cars like the caddy, and some others, it has moved far far from the production thing, and one wouldn't be suprised if a car was allowed a power adder to compete.

The weight pennalty usally comes into effect after the car is not eligable for a full season of competition. (IE after it is 5 or 7 years old). WC being a pro series they like to have new cars running up front and winning.


But like Mr. hammond said, it wouldn't be a smart car to build. When you can go get a comp coupe for 150,000, or a corvette, or if you really wanted to cause some trouble build a CTSV caddie.

 

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can't there be exceptions to this? lol (inside joke)

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yeah, you know it all too well

 

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i think you were making a point more so than asking a question, but either way heres an answer:

there is a guy on s2ki.com who races an s2000 and he has ten inch wide slicks in the rear and 9 inch in the front. i dont know very much about the different classes or anything so i cant tell you which one he runs in, but i do know that he runs against a lot of higher end cars such as corvettes and even a couple of ferraris. his s2000 is severly weight reduced and he seems to be pretty competitive even with considerably less power. i havnt seen anything about him in probably a year or so, and last i heard he was going to run a corvette in the next season since they were going to weight penalize his s2000 to death.

 

Yeah but if it was just a track car, then he can do whatever he wants and he is also competing against other track cars that can do whatever they want.

I.e. with the right budget, it wouldn't be hard to get a S2000 or any Honda for that matter to out run Corvettes and Ferrari's.

If it was in a fact a race car and he was in ITE(verything goes), then that would explain it.

 

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my s has seated 4

 

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i think you were making a point more so than asking a question, but either way heres an answer:

there is a guy on s2ki.com who races an s2000 and he has ten inch wide slicks in the rear and 9 inch in the front. i dont know very much about the different classes or anything so i cant tell you which one he runs in, but i do know that he runs against a lot of higher end cars such as corvettes and even a couple of ferraris. his s2000 is severly weight reduced and he seems to be pretty competitive even with considerably less power. i havnt seen anything about him in probably a year or so, and last i heard he was going to run a corvette in the next season since they were going to weight penalize his s2000 to death.
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all to often people throw out there that one car can hang with the others. on a track day or race day.

In WC GT it really an't like that. You have max the ax, archer, and many other VERY VERY good drivers.

Some of the back of the back guys that run the coupe coupes clean house at club weekends, but struggle when they go with the big dogs.


what would it need to run upfront in WC GT?

3.2 + liters
supercharger or a turbo.
350whp 300ft/tq
and weight in around 2,500lbs

id also like to see a sequential tranny, and something will probably need to be done with the rear end.

would it be neat? heck yes. but neat doesn't pay the bills to races, nor get you up front.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all to often people throw out there that one car can hang with the others. on a track day or race day.

In WC GT it really an't like that. You have max the ax, archer, and many other VERY VERY good drivers.

Some of the back of the back guys that run the coupe coupes clean house at club weekends, but struggle when they go with the big dogs.


what would it need to run upfront in WC GT?

3.2 + liters
supercharger or a turbo.
350whp 300ft/tq
and weight in around 2,500lbs

id also like to see a sequential tranny, and something will probably need to be done with the rear end.

would it be neat? heck yes. but neat doesn't pay the bills to races, nor get you up front.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i see what you are saying but getting an s2000 down to 2500 lbs, and power up to 350/ 300 lb feet isnt that tricky.

i really wish that there was a racing series that was unibody production based cars only, and you had little limitations on the modifications that could be done within reason. so, if you want to swap a motor from the same manufacturer, you can do it. if you want to put a chevy 350 in the back of your crx, you cant. if you want to cut out you spare tire holder, you can. if you want to completley replace the rear half of your car with tube chassis, that wont fly. i think that any car that is willing to step up and race should be able to. so if you have a crx that you think is qualified to race against corvettes that may or may not have been extensivley modified, then go right ahead.

i think that modifying the supension should be allowed but you have to keep the stock mounting points and stock suspension type. so you cant use custom lower control arms and sway bars, but you cant take your macpherson strut rsx and weld brackets onto it to hold custom wishbone arms. i just want to see a variety or REAL cars (not prototype) running against one another. id even be ok with it if they had different power classes such as the JGTC (super GT) does.

also, if it comes front wheel drive, then it has to stay that way. if it comes rear whel drive, then guess what, it has to stay that way.

you should be able to replace any and all body panels with lighter or wider pieces.

and no freaking weight penalties. if you choose to drive a 3000 lb car and i choose to drive a weight dropped miata, thats not my problem. and i think that most cars naturally tend to to either fall into the super light weight low horsepower, and high horsepower high weight package.

i think the only weight penalties should be the way that they do it in JGTC, where the top three positions get weight penalties as to give them less of an advantage next time around.

it could be an ultimate production car championship or some such horse ****.

and no freakin cars that are tube framed from factory like and ultima or something to that effect. we are talking cars with real frames here.

dont get me wrong, i like watching ALMS but instead of a car that looks like a corvette racing, i would rather actually see a corvette racing. and if i could see it racing an nsx, an rx7, a hyundai tiburon, a ford focus, a mustang, and a 3 series, i would be pretty ******* pleased. and agin, the real cars, not some tube framed go cart that has a shell attached to it that bares a strong resemblence to the production equivalent.

who's with me?

 

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i see what you are saying but getting an s2000 down to 2500 lbs, and power up to 350/ 300 lb feet isnt that tricky.

i really wish that there was a racing series that was unibody production based cars only, and you had little limitations on the modifications that could be done within reason. so, if you want to swap a motor from the same manufacturer, you can do it. if you want to put a chevy 350 in the back of your crx, you cant. if you want to cut out you spare tire holder, you can. if you want to completley replace the rear half of your car with tube chassis, that wont fly. i think that any car that is willing to step up and race should be able to. so if you have a crx that you think is qualified to race against corvettes that may or may not have been extensivley modified, then go right ahead.

i think that modifying the supension should be allowed but you have to keep the stock mounting points and stock suspension type. so you cant use custom lower control arms and sway bars, but you cant take your macpherson strut rsx and weld brackets onto it to hold custom wishbone arms. i just want to see a variety or REAL cars (not prototype) running against one another. id even be ok with it if they had different power classes such as the JGTC (super GT) does.

also, if it comes front wheel drive, then it has to stay that way. if it comes rear whel drive, then guess what, it has to stay that way.

you should be able to replace any and all body panels with lighter or wider pieces.

and no freaking weight penalties. if you choose to drive a 3000 lb car and i choose to drive a weight dropped miata, thats not my problem. and i think that most cars naturally tend to to either fall into the super light weight low horsepower, and high horsepower high weight package.

i think the only weight penalties should be the way that they do it in JGTC, where the top three positions get weight penalties as to give them less of an advantage next time around.

it could be an ultimate production car championship or some such horse ****.

and no freakin cars that are tube framed from factory like and ultima or something to that effect. we are talking cars with real frames here.

dont get me wrong, i like watching ALMS but instead of a car that looks like a corvette racing, i would rather actually see a corvette racing. and if i could see it racing an nsx, an rx7, a hyundai tiburon, a ford focus, a mustang, and a 3 series, i would be pretty ******* pleased. and agin, the real cars, not some tube framed go cart that has a shell attached to it that bares a strong resemblence to the production equivalent.

who's with me? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Grand AM?


Modified by DMF at 7:37 PM 5/30/2006

 

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Exactly, Grand-Am is for you if thats what you want.

As others have said, it would not be smart to try and get an S2000 to the point where its competitive in WCGT, unless you have an endless bank account and just want to try for fun. Even then it would be very very difficult.

 

&lt;goes and searches grand am

 

ok so i went and checked out grand am and it seems that they are kind of what i am talking about. but they recently started allowing tube frame cars to race against production based cars. thats sucks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.E.G. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok so i went and checked out grand am and it seems that they are kind of what i am talking about. but they recently started allowing tube frame cars to race against production based cars. thats sucks.

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I could be wrong, but isn't that series where they allowed the Pontiacs to run tube frames and the 3 series of turner motor sports are running the production chassis? What was wrong with the Pontiac chassis that made it an underdog?<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


what would it need to run upfront in WC GT?

3.2 + liters
supercharger or a turbo.
350whp 300ft/tq
and weight in around 2,500lbs

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Not that I think the car should be run in the series in question, but I think those numbers you posted are reasonably attainable (except the displacement issue).

 

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i just read about it tonight (aside form the prototype portion, i was allready aware of that) and it would appear that you are correct.

thats the **** im talking about. if your car isnt as good, then boo hoo, pick a better car, just pick a better production car.