What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx?
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What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx?
I was recently thinking about doing a motor swap for my car, but i dont know what? I know i want something legal, with good power. I was thinking b series, But i want to be all legit still. Which motors could i ref in the car? Has anyone been through this? And how hard is it to get it legit? 
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Re: What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx? (x707saelee88)
Motors you can ref in a CRX:
D16Z6
D16Y8
B16A
B17A
B18A/B
B18C1/5
H22A
H23A
F22 SOHC
Of course, you could probably ref other motors, like an old Legend V6. But this list includes ALL motors you are likely to consider (and some you probably aren't).
As long as the motor is the same year or newer than the car it is going in AND is using the proper engine management for the motor, it can be reffed. But this means that if you want to use, say, a D16Z6, it MUST use the proper P28 ECU. It also means that if you want to run an OBDII motor (like the D16Y8), you MUST run the OBDII ECU. JDM motors can also be reffed, provided you run these motors with the proper USDM emissions gear and ECU. So if you run a 1G JDM B16A, you MUST run it with a USDM intake manifold, USDM P30 ECU, and four wire oxygen sensor.
But to answer your original question, B-series is generally not a problem.
D16Z6
D16Y8
B16A
B17A
B18A/B
B18C1/5
H22A
H23A
F22 SOHC
Of course, you could probably ref other motors, like an old Legend V6. But this list includes ALL motors you are likely to consider (and some you probably aren't).
As long as the motor is the same year or newer than the car it is going in AND is using the proper engine management for the motor, it can be reffed. But this means that if you want to use, say, a D16Z6, it MUST use the proper P28 ECU. It also means that if you want to run an OBDII motor (like the D16Y8), you MUST run the OBDII ECU. JDM motors can also be reffed, provided you run these motors with the proper USDM emissions gear and ECU. So if you run a 1G JDM B16A, you MUST run it with a USDM intake manifold, USDM P30 ECU, and four wire oxygen sensor.
But to answer your original question, B-series is generally not a problem.
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Re: What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx? (88 rex)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88 rex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not from Cali, but I believe recently ZC's have been ref'able.</TD></TR></TABLE>
With the SOHC ZC, you don't need to go to the ref. It is just an A6. The DOHC ZC won't pass since there was not a USDM equivalent.
With the SOHC ZC, you don't need to go to the ref. It is just an A6. The DOHC ZC won't pass since there was not a USDM equivalent.
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Re: What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx? (StorminMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
With the SOHC ZC, you don't need to go to the ref. It is just an A6. The DOHC ZC won't pass since there was not a USDM equivalent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.superhonda.com/foru...66776
Apparently it's a struggle, but might be possible in 88-89 CRX's.
With the SOHC ZC, you don't need to go to the ref. It is just an A6. The DOHC ZC won't pass since there was not a USDM equivalent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://www.superhonda.com/foru...66776
Apparently it's a struggle, but might be possible in 88-89 CRX's.
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Re: What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx? (x707saelee88)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">D16Z6
D16Y8
As long as the motor is the same year or newer than the car it is going in AND is using the proper engine management for the motor, it can be reffed. But this means that if you want to use, say, a D16Z6, it MUST use the proper P28 ECU. It also means that if you want to run an OBDII motor (like the D16Y8), you MUST run the OBDII ECU. JDM motors can also be reffed, provided you run these motors with the proper USDM emissions gear and ECU. </TD></TR></TABLE>
D16Y8 would drop right in i have a full y8 head, block, tranny i thing it would be go for you. it has a port and polish, stage 1 skunk 2 cam and valve springs, adjustable cam gear, and i have a stage 2 or 3 clutch either one u want. ill sell it to you for 600 or best offer, now thats a deal. plus if you want i throw in the si tranny from my crx.
D16Y8
As long as the motor is the same year or newer than the car it is going in AND is using the proper engine management for the motor, it can be reffed. But this means that if you want to use, say, a D16Z6, it MUST use the proper P28 ECU. It also means that if you want to run an OBDII motor (like the D16Y8), you MUST run the OBDII ECU. JDM motors can also be reffed, provided you run these motors with the proper USDM emissions gear and ECU. </TD></TR></TABLE>
D16Y8 would drop right in i have a full y8 head, block, tranny i thing it would be go for you. it has a port and polish, stage 1 skunk 2 cam and valve springs, adjustable cam gear, and i have a stage 2 or 3 clutch either one u want. ill sell it to you for 600 or best offer, now thats a deal. plus if you want i throw in the si tranny from my crx.
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Re: What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx? (x707saelee88)
i have a full d16y8 vtec motor tranny i'll sell. port and polish, stage 1 cam, valve springs all from skunk 2 plus a stage 3 act puck clutch, but so u don't have to do a hydo conversation i 'll throw in my si cable tranny the only thing wrong with it is it scratches in 2nd gear when down shifting. all of this for 600 or best offer.
it would drop right in no problem and you would just need a obdo to obd1 jumper harness for vtec but the motor while run fine without it
it would drop right in no problem and you would just need a obdo to obd1 jumper harness for vtec but the motor while run fine without it
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Re: (TEAM ITR DONT GET SOHC'd)
"just about any swap that you want to do, you can get ref'd"
Oh please! On some engines it's not currently possible!!!
A DOHC ZC isn't possible due to there not being a USDM equivalent. It has not been legally done.
A K motor has two different issues with getting one bar'd, and I don't think it's ever been done. One issue is that the ECU for that motor has the "immobilizer" and it will not work in an EF (what people use is the Hondata Kpro ECU, but it's not referee legal!). The other issue has to deal with the fact that a K uses a non-return fuel system. Now it seems you could work around this and convert an EF to non-return, but the Referee's don't like a "modified" fuel system.
Wes V
Oh please! On some engines it's not currently possible!!!
A DOHC ZC isn't possible due to there not being a USDM equivalent. It has not been legally done.
A K motor has two different issues with getting one bar'd, and I don't think it's ever been done. One issue is that the ECU for that motor has the "immobilizer" and it will not work in an EF (what people use is the Hondata Kpro ECU, but it's not referee legal!). The other issue has to deal with the fact that a K uses a non-return fuel system. Now it seems you could work around this and convert an EF to non-return, but the Referee's don't like a "modified" fuel system.
Wes V
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"just about any swap that you want to do, you can get ref'd"
Oh please! On some engines it's not currently possible!!!
A DOHC ZC isn't possible due to there not being a USDM equivalent. It has not been legally done.
A K motor has two different issues with getting one bar'd, and I don't think it's ever been done. One issue is that the ECU for that motor has the "immobilizer" and it will not work in an EF (what people use is the Hondata Kpro ECU, but it's not referee legal!). The other issue has to deal with the fact that a K uses a non-return fuel system. Now it seems you could work around this and convert an EF to non-return, but the Referee's don't like a "modified" fuel system.
Wes V
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Wes, did you read the link I provided?
Oh please! On some engines it's not currently possible!!!
A DOHC ZC isn't possible due to there not being a USDM equivalent. It has not been legally done.
A K motor has two different issues with getting one bar'd, and I don't think it's ever been done. One issue is that the ECU for that motor has the "immobilizer" and it will not work in an EF (what people use is the Hondata Kpro ECU, but it's not referee legal!). The other issue has to deal with the fact that a K uses a non-return fuel system. Now it seems you could work around this and convert an EF to non-return, but the Referee's don't like a "modified" fuel system.
Wes V
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Wes, did you read the link I provided?
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88 rex;
I just went and read the link you provided and although it's interesting that somebody is doing the good fight to get a ZC through the Ref., the fact is that it still hasn't gotten through the process.
When looking for engine swap options, I don't feel it's worth the effort.
Wes
I just went and read the link you provided and although it's interesting that somebody is doing the good fight to get a ZC through the Ref., the fact is that it still hasn't gotten through the process.
When looking for engine swap options, I don't feel it's worth the effort.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
A K motor has two different issues with getting one bar'd, and I don't think it's ever been done. One issue is that the ECU for that motor has the "immobilizer" and it will not work in an EF (what people use is the Hondata Kpro ECU, but it's not referee legal!). The other issue has to deal with the fact that a K uses a non-return fuel system. Now it seems you could work around this and convert an EF to non-return, but the Referee's don't like a "modified" fuel system.
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Well it's nice to finally hear a "why". All I've heard was that K series is no-go.
A K motor has two different issues with getting one bar'd, and I don't think it's ever been done. One issue is that the ECU for that motor has the "immobilizer" and it will not work in an EF (what people use is the Hondata Kpro ECU, but it's not referee legal!). The other issue has to deal with the fact that a K uses a non-return fuel system. Now it seems you could work around this and convert an EF to non-return, but the Referee's don't like a "modified" fuel system.
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Well it's nice to finally hear a "why". All I've heard was that K series is no-go.
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Re: (tmeracz)
Stick with a b-series, K-series are still a little touchy when it comes to tuning, let the bugs get worked out in the next couple of years. Though the flash program from hondata works nicely, I would start with a b-series
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Re: (TEAM ITR DONT GET SOHC'd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TEAM ITR DONT GET SOHC’d »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just about any swap that you want to do, you can get ref'd</TD></TR></TABLE>
Um, no.
Good luck getting these to pass:
B16B
B20B
B20Z
LS-VTEC
CR-VTEC
Mini-Me
DOHC ZC in a '90-91
Um, no.
Good luck getting these to pass:
B16B
B20B
B20Z
LS-VTEC
CR-VTEC
Mini-Me
DOHC ZC in a '90-91
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Re: (Wes V)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">88 rex;
I just went and read the link you provided and although it's interesting that somebody is doing the good fight to get a ZC through the Ref., the fact is that it still hasn't gotten through the process.
When looking for engine swap options, I don't feel it's worth the effort.
Wes</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not that I don't agree with you on the effort, but it still MIGHT have a shot. It's an interesting thread.
I just went and read the link you provided and although it's interesting that somebody is doing the good fight to get a ZC through the Ref., the fact is that it still hasn't gotten through the process.
When looking for engine swap options, I don't feel it's worth the effort.
Wes</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not that I don't agree with you on the effort, but it still MIGHT have a shot. It's an interesting thread.
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Re: (Wes V)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wes V »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what's the problem with a B16b?
Wes</TD></TR></TABLE>
No USDM equivalent.
Wes</TD></TR></TABLE>
No USDM equivalent.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ref? You mean emissions test? I have a sweet way of etesting cars that are rough on guys (example, 198whp B18C1 with all the goodies).</TD></TR></TABLE>
Emissions + superanal visual check here in california.
Emissions + superanal visual check here in california.
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Ive been thinking in regards to the DOHC ZC. Say u have an 88 civic/crx, the olive top DOHC ZC or even the black top one IS considered a direct replacement for the pre 90 integras. You could tell the ref that the DOHC ZC is for an 89 Integra, thus being legal since the 89 integra is newer than your 88 chassis. Dont forget to use the PG7 ECU 
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Any thoughts?
Edit: HAH i read that link up top after i posted. lol.
. Any thoughts?
Edit: HAH i read that link up top after i posted. lol.
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Re: What motors can be ref'd in a ef crx? (StorminMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With the SOHC ZC, you don't need to go to the ref. It is just an A6. The DOHC ZC won't pass since there was not a USDM equivalent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I just got a REF tickect for my single cam ZC. So now I owe $351.
Hey is my **** illegal if my motor was bought befor that stupid law was passed about swaping japanese motors? My mom was the original owner on my EF. And she got the ZC back in like 98 or somthing. And I got a ref ticket for it. Do you think if I make an appointment for it I will pass? Or no. My date to pay the fine, or whatever isnt till like another 2 weeks.
I just got a REF tickect for my single cam ZC. So now I owe $351.
Hey is my **** illegal if my motor was bought befor that stupid law was passed about swaping japanese motors? My mom was the original owner on my EF. And she got the ZC back in like 98 or somthing. And I got a ref ticket for it. Do you think if I make an appointment for it I will pass? Or no. My date to pay the fine, or whatever isnt till like another 2 weeks.