im going to start my supercharger build soon this summer. but i am wondering anybody with any reviews on this set-up. what to stay away from all the essential things to get along with the supercharger to get maximum potential. well my current situation: i have a sohc zc with 80,xxx miles on it so my first thought why not turbo charge. Well im looking for the whole carb exempt thing. so i decided on the jackson racing sc. i also need help on finding a used sc.

 

Streetwerks has this setup and loves it hes planning for over 200 WHP and he will pull it off.

I'd contact him or hope he sees this thread.

 

great thanks.

 

i wrote an article on another website about my personal views of turbo vs. sueprchargers. let me dig it up.

 

honestly... if you shop around, and buy a used kit, dont cut any corners on new hoses and gaskets, sparkplugs, and whatnot.. i'd say around $1,000. before tuning.

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Originally Posted by ILoveJDM.

Do you like running your supercharger on your Rex? Is it more sufficient and power making than a Turbo? What are your overall thoughts on the performance?

Yes, i like the supercharger.... doesnt feel like a Honda anymore, it actually has torque from idle all the way to redline.

before the turbo spools.... yes, the supercharger would crush it on horsepower and torque. the turbo has no parasitic drag, so of course it will make more peak numbers. but the power curve and delivery of the supercharger makes it more predictable. i had a turbo SOHC right before this supercharger... (like a month before)

... and i do feel like the turbo had more top end power... would likely win in a freeway situation, possible a 1/4 mile race, although it would be close... the supercharger would definately get the jump and pull at least to the 330 mark, if not the 1/8th mile. if you plan on only racing on the streets (which are rarely even close to an 1/8th mile length before the loser shuts his car off) or if you plan on road racing..... the supercharger is the way to go.
if it were a 1/4 mile track car only.... of course i'd say turbo.
The installation/maintainence of the supercharger is MUCH easier...
install is simple, just like an intake manifold install, except you got to relocate the alternator and run a new belt. (which isnt that hard, the jackson kit is well engineered) these are internally oiled, and pretty much maintainence free, besides changing and tightening belts on occasion. (you need to change and tighten belts on any motor, right?)
the installation/maintainence of the turbo took a little more time, i had to take out the power steering and air conditioning... remove the bumper, cut, measure, cut, recut, and cut the bumper some more to fit the piping and intercooler (painted black in my photos, still visable if youre looking for it). well, i could have easily cut the bumper once to show off the intercooler like most riceboys do, but i wanted the 'sleeper' look. i had a pain in the *** fitting the turbo manifold and T3 turbo without halfway removing the motor itself... basically i had to bolt up the manifold, then crawl under the car, and bolt the turbo up squeezing my hands into tiny spaces.. fitting the downpipe was a pain in the *** too.
OIL LINES!
I friggan hate oil lines. once i got rid of one leak, another would spring up. then i;d get rid of that, and oil would come from somewhere else.
you need to tap the oil pan and the motor for oil fitting, then run an oil line to the turbo from the engine, and then to the oil pan as drainage from the turbo. (this is for lubrication and cooling of the turbo... burns on my knuckles show it gets hot)
i changed the oil on my motor every 1000 miles or 1500 miles, just because i knew this oil was getting hotter than it would on a normal engine.
then you got friggan silicon couplers... a turbo kit has so many weak points that its almost a waste. if you dont use hardcore couplers and clamps, you will blow off some basic crappy rubber couplers and clamps.
but with the right couplers, you should only have to re-tighten these on occasion.

installation on the charger is obviously easier... but its harder to get it to idle smooth. (which can be done, with patience) sometimes i cant even tell my engine is running, it idles so smooth.

they both have their ups and downs. i am NOWHERE near the end of my build for the supercharged car... but i do see some new projects in my future.

i've just started on my build, and havent tuned it yet... but even with a simple street tune by me, the car moves. very smooth and quiet... hard to tell that its fast until you look at the speedo and youre doing over 120.
the only way to tell that youre quick is because you get tired of shifting. LOL no need to drop gears on the freeway to pass another car.... leave it in fifth, give it some gas, and you'll go from 60 to 100 in a matter of seconds.

the LOUD intake noise that honda make is GONE... you only hear a loud whine from the charger... which sounds awesome from behind the drivers seat. sounds even better from outside of the car. you'll get plenty of looks from ricers or legit honda owners alike.

overall, i think my supercharged engine would crush a similar turbo car at the same PSI in almost any racing situation.

when i first installed the kit, i had the 5 PSI pullies installed, then i put an 8 PSI pulley on, and the car came to life, i now have a 10-11 PSI setup that i'm waiting to put on my motor the day before my dyno. not really hoping for crazy numbers.... just maybe 185HP and like 150TQ to the wheels.... which i guess is pretty good on a sohc nonvtec, with stock internals. and the torque will probably make peak numbers around 4500 RPMS. (just where VTEC motors start to wake up)

i'm happy so far.


BTW, i've had a nitrous B16 too.



small video. http://www.streetwerkzclothing...x.wmv

also..... check in on the link in my signature, i update it when i can. as soon as i finish with the installs and dyno, i'll start a new thread.

 

ladies and gentleman, please dont flame me with the turbo vs. supercharger BS, or the D vs. B series, or even vtec vs. nonvtec. i built my car the way i wanted to, and i think i predicted a new supercharger subculture that is coming back stronger than ever as evidenced in the recent Honda Tuning magazine. (about 5 or 6 references to blowers in this month alone)


again, opinions are like ********....

everyone has one and they all stink.

 

" jisu009 (10:40 PM 5/1/2006): I am with you brother. D16A6 supercharged. "


haha.

dont get me wrong, i like all different sorts of honda setups and the versatility, different characteristics and whatnot.

but for the price i paid, and my installation and maintenance + performance i gained, im a big fan of the supercharger.

EDIT: I dont want to ***** your thread out, you might also want to read through the 140+ pages of this thread.
there is some VERY good info in here about turbos and superchargers.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1214810

Modified by STREETWERKZ at 10:59 PM 5/1/2006


Modified by STREETWERKZ at 10:59 PM 5/1/2006

 

great advice streetwerkz. great read also and nice car. thanks for the info its very usefull exactly what i was looking for thanks. and dont worry about whoring my thread i dont mind the more info the better.

 

no problem.


keep me posted on your build.

and read that link i posted, some really good **** about JRSCs in there. good luck.

 

Nice info streetwerkz

 

ill keep you posted bro thanks alot. and if you come around a used jrsc hook it up lol seriously holla at me.

 

i saw a few on H-t under 850

and even a couple under 700


i might even buy an extra.

 

I had the JRSC on my D16 and I loved it. On the streets it was so much fun to drive. Instant torque and passing power. The power flatened out on top but I just short shifted. I got good gas milage too. Bolt it on and go.

I had problems with the fpr from Jackson. The bracket they provide in the kit sucked and broke immediatly leaving the fpr bouncing around in the engine bay. The fpr it self stared leaking. All this was solved with a little ingenuity and a couple calls to Moss motors. They sent me a new fpr and bracket promptly. I also replaced supercharger belts regularly and they needed adjustment frequently. This was, geez, 5 years ago so Jackson may have remedied all these issues by now.

For all the **** people talk about the jrsc I loved it and would totally recomend it.

 

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95% of those people never owned one or driven one.
they look at the 'peak' numbers on the dyno graph.
***** should look at the power delivery a SC can deliver. talk about a FUN car.

 

I agree.
I just put one on my friends rex and the power is unbelievable.
I know it's not a rocket but it will really make you smile.
I have a stock rex and after driving my friends car, mine just isn't as fun any more.

Now on a side note.
When buying one used there are problems.
My friend bought his from ebay and when I split it to inspect the rotors, they had been overheated to the point where the epoxy coating was missing all over the place. This can be fixed but is a pain. Also the belt bracket was missing and it didn't have alot of bolts and it was missing the the wire extensions. It didn't have a belt either and those are like $26 a piece for those.
But after about $1200 total and a few extra hours, I have to say it is one fast little car.
It's all rusty and dented but he likes that part too because he shocks alot of people with nice cars.
He also reported a increase in fuel economy.
The rex is only rated for like 33-35 mpg but when he isn't beating it, it gets 40-42 mpg.

If it were me, I would just spend the money to get a new one.
I know it is alot more expensive, but think about it.
You will have a brand new one with no issues.
No one else beat it or over heated it.
It will come with every part you need and they will all be new.
I don't know if the new ones have a warranty but the tech support is great.

Also the amount of heat that turbo's make is muck more that a sc.
That means it' runs alot cooler.
No extra big radiator or special fans needed.
Have fun , what ever you do.
Just my .02

 

s/c ftw

 

STREETWERKZ are you running an aftercooler? Any issues with overheating?

 

http://www.lhtperformance.net/....html

Thought I would throw this in the mix.

They do excellent work and really know their ****.

Side note:

I have had B series, driven big bore B series, 700 hp b series, built d series and just about everything else.....but I honestly love my D16A6.

It is tough to explain sometimes, but the engine is very "pure" and an extremely efficient engine. The one I have in my car right now just plain rips, it is what I refer to as a "Wednesday Motor," not built on Monday when the workers are hung over and not built on Friday when they want to leave, but right in the middle of the week when they are "in the "groove."

I think I am going to supercharge and have some fun with it. Bolt on and go will work perfect for me being in Hawaii now where things aren't quite as easy to deal with in general.

 

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no , not yet.

i do have a koyo aluminum radiator.... and the engine runs SUPPPER cold still.

 

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believe it or not, i get what you mean. that's exactly why after i decided to build a d-series i chose to rebuild an a6. from what a local mechanic (b18c5-eh2) said, the a6 is a more reliable platform and has stronger internals than any other d-series.

 

thanks for all your help guys. i hope to have a fun summer and i hope to see some of you at crxpo oc 06. hopefully with my sc

 

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i'll be at the CRXpo. both days.


come say whats up.

 

streetwerkz has me craving for a supercharger like courtney love craves *****
awesome setup

 

I like my a6 as well(stock and babied by original owners)and tho im still on the fence on what im going to do motor wise(would like a b16)i want to keep this motor and build it