I am in the market for an exhaust for a 2000 ITR and I wanted the opinions of people at the wonderful Honda-tech type r forum... so here it goes.

I have a stock ITR, only engine mod - K&N 2710, I have looking at picking up one of the following - Spoon N1 axle back or Type One.

Which one of these units has a better build quality, likely to make more power, will hold up longer to various environmental conditions and has better fit quality?? I guess I should mention the application – Primary Use: street with moderate track usage.

Also, I would like some information with respect to the B-Pipe... Is it needed when installing the above mentioned exhaust units? If not, what is the advantage of having it?

I should also mention that I don’t want to wear earplugs when driving the car..
Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

dont want earplugs???
then i wouldnt go for either of the two

 

yeah Spoon does not recommend the N1 for street use. Someone here claimed it dyno'd at 5whp for just the axle-back section...adding a bigger B-pipe can't hurt either.

 

A good header & high flow cat (or testpipe if you wish) will get you more power and you wont need ear plugs.. plus the *** end will still be stock looking to theives.. not that it matters much.

 

I plan to install a header in the future, when budget allows... but for right now.. I can get a good deal on the Spoon N1, but am still considering the Type One unit..

As for the noise... will a silencer work for either unit???

 

The Kakimoto N1 axle back or catback is very nice too.

 

installing a silencer kind of defeats the purpose of getting the exh since you lose
the power you gain

 

what " does the silencer bring the exhaust to? 1"? 2"?

If you can get the N1 for cheap, grab it...it's light as hell. But keep in mind it's also loud as **** and you will need a separate B-pipe which is not included in the $400+ (new) asking price.

 

Yes. I've heard this is VERY noticable. Just do the other stuff first dude, like FL n NC rock j00 said.
Both of those exhausts are damn loud, you will not get used to it.




[Modified by IntegraT, 9:33 PM 4/9/2002]

 

Type-One system will actually be more expensive than the Spoon n1 with type-one b-pipe IF you get the Ti version. The spoon n1 is way louder than the type one and if you want more power that will be the way to go. I suggest getting neither if you don't want to put up with sound.

 

Intresting comments.. I guess I will take that adice into consideration... However, not quite sure why, I like the look on the Spoon N1, it seems a little more subtle then the Type One system..

One last question... if I install a exhaust, will my emissions be a problem?

 

Unless you remove your cat it shouldnt have any effect

 

Spoon n1 is more subtle looking but it is still way louder than the type-one!

 

neither are that loud. the type one is no louder than a tanabe RM. the spoon is just a little bit louder than the type one, but it mostly has a diff tone to it. type one little deeper sound. personaly i'd go spoon, but that cause i don't like the bigger tip on the type one. the type one is a very nice system though, and R&D has them in stock.


[Modified by ITR764, 4:53 PM 4/9/2002]

 

IPS can get Type One **** as well...that's where my B-pipe is coming from as well as the Spoon N1.

 

just get the buddy club spec 2. You won't notice it, sounds stock, but a little deeper.

 

I think I will choose the Spoon N1 with the Type One B pipe... I live in T.O, so the price is in CND's - but I was quoted 800.00 taxes in for the N1 axle back... I did a little reseach and found that this is a decent price... but if anyone knows where I can score a better deal - I am all hears...

As well, can someone explain the exact reason for the B-Pipe?????

 

I cannot speak for the Spoon N1 axleback but I do know that the TypeOne catback is fully stainless steel with a titanium tip. So the TypeOne should hold up against the Toronto winter and salt. There is an option of getting a full Titanium axleback but I don't know how durable Titanium is so I can't offer any advice with that one.

As for making power, I made 6whp and 4.3wtq with the TypeOne (silencer off). With the silencer on, my horsepower and torque numbers were back to the numbers I had before I installed the TypeOne.

You do not need an aftermarket b-pipe to install either the TypeOne or Spoon N1 axleback. The advantage of having a bigger diameter b-pipe is that it reduces back pressure.

What's noisy to one may not be noisy to the next person. So this is too subjective a question to answer. If you're like me, I don't like loud exhausts. I'm still undecided as how I feel about the TypeOne with the silencer equipped. With speeds up to 75mph (120km/h), I find it 100% acceptable. When between 80-90mph (129-145km/h), I found it a little irritating. I'm going to be taking a 3 1/2 road trip this weekend so I'll see how that goes. For what it's worth, BryanSprinkel, who has a Spoon N1, heard my TypeOne at a recent dyno session and he said that it was quieter than the Spoon.

You can always upgrade the b-pipe and keep the stock muffler on there. I'm going to reinstall the stock ITR muffler back on to find out if it poses a major restriction. I think the piece that really chokes up the exhuast system (header and cat excluded) is the b-pipe.


[Modified by CPR, 5:43 PM 4/9/2002]

 

I gained 4 peak whps and tons of mid-range, by changing from Spoon N1 w/ stock b-pipe to Kakimoto R 70mm catback. But that was on a Toda B's equipped engine.

 

keep us posted about this! i am very interested in seeing what kinda gains/losses will result from this.

 

shoot my custom 2.5" exhaust with restrictive dynomax made 8whp and 10 lb/ft torque... and it cost me like $150. sounded like **** but worked. after seeing dyno's for most exhaust systems out there, I would alway make a custom exhaust for power... aftermarket systems are good for sound cuz who would buy an exhaust that sounded like **** for $500+??

need straight through flow and quiet? get magnaflow. and FYI comptech uses the straight through Dynomax mufflers...

 

i have a bone stock itr and i'm going to be installing a spoon n1 muff wid the stock b-pipe. after dyno'ing i'll post some before and after #'s.


[Modified by ITR764, 9:03 PM 4/9/2002]

 

Not exactly

 

Kewl - I will go with the B-Pipe for sure... this will not effect my emissions will it???

 

"Mike B at Comptech


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