can someone please give a good reason as to why this should not be allowed??? yea you might have built an engine combo around racegas? but its really not all that much to switch over to methanol. ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT RACING COMPETATIVLY. the cars run SOOOOOO much cleaner/cooler on methanol, & its alot cheaper than race gas. the switch to methanol might include an 800 dollar (tops) fuel pump, an extra set of 1600cc injectors, a few fuel lines and fittings. nothing that any SERIOUS team would have no problem dropping a few bucks on....

look at what NHRA did to Ephanitis and Humphries last seaon with the turbo ruling. they "pretty much" had no problem swaping the large turbo for 2 smaller ones(which cost alot more than a simple switch to alcohol)......

really i dont see where the problem is?????


if you car is ready to run, bring it out reguardless.

 

I agree, take advantage of the fact that they're allowing it rather than bitching about it. It's not an expensive change at all.

 

Actually Paul and Justin had a lot of problems with the new turbo's. They spent a lot of money blowing parts up trying to run in the .60's with the new rules. I'd hardly call it an easy switch, or cheap...

What I think is crazy is Nopi claimed the new classes would provide a stepping stone for the grassroots/street class racers to step up to the Pro classes. Turbo 4 cars could step up to the Pro 4 class which would be runnin' 8.50 and slower w/ the rules and then Pro GT would be the next step up and then ProFWD as the fastest of the FWD classes.

Not to mention Pro4 was supposedly going to be HUGE!! Now there's two and three cars in each class, Pro4 running 8.30 and the ProGT cars running faster than ProFWD. Rules are made so there's separation between classes and now all three are overlapping...

And there's not a single car that was built or redone to use the new rules for the ProGT class, the full tube chassis w/ a stock transmission, 3/4 chassis w/ aftermarket tranny, etc... Where are the 8-9 cars that Nopi said we're being built just for those rules?

 

Did someones post get deleted? How'd did you reply to Dturbocivic Stephanie and there no post from him in this thread?

 

That's weird, not sure...

 

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exactly my point. the turbo switch cost a SERIOUS TEAMS ALOT more than a SIMPLE switch to alcohol.

 

Howard, click on PSIPRO4's profile (aka Dturbocivic), that will shine some light.

Edit, but wtf...it was psipro4 one post before I'm as lost as you are, anyway....

 

Its not the fact that they are allowing Methanol in the class. Its changing the rules right before the season starts when time a money was already invested for Tunning, parts, and ect for the original rules. Plus I do agree with Stephanie each class should be a stepping stone. There is the GT class and Pro FWD if you want to run Meth.

 

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What I think is crazy is Nopi claimed the new classes would provide a stepping stone for the grassroots/street class racers to step up to the Pro classes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless you're running an auto trans. Then, the intended step was supposed to be 9's in turbo street to 7's in Pro GT.

I think its insane that Meth is allowed back in Pro4.

Also, its a lot easier to level the playing field by instating rules that will actually make cars slower. The NDRA's stance was to try and force the slower guys to be faster. This just doesn't work. Every racer is an optimist and thinks they can just make a couple tweaks and drop a half-second or more. It never works out like this. Its a lot easier to turn a 7-second car into an 8-second car than vice-versa.

Kevin

 

I am going to run gas at the MD race and I am going to switch after that. I think the main issue is that the rule was not made clear during the off season and the then the first race comes around and someone must have bitched enough that they changed the rules. The should have made it clear up front. At this point I could care less I'll be ready.

 

I agree with Harry about this and we see if you are big enough and cry long enough, they will change the rules for you. 150 lbs is not enough especially when your car is ligth to began with. This is going to keep people away from the track

 

We are not complaining about the use of meth. but it was how they switched the rules a week or two before the first race. When building the car you have a budget you can not just change everything in the begin of the year or your budget is shot. That is what we are complainung about.

 

I think NOPI should just follow NHRA's lead as far as class specifications and rules.
I see no reason why to split up a small amount of sport compact cars to begin with.

 

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I see no reason why to split up a small amount of sport compact cars to begin with.
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let nopi go nuts & take a header with the class/ruling........ all the cars will go to nhra since they seem to be more civilized

build your car around NHRA specs

 

It's amazing how many more cars would race both nopi and nhra if the rules were the same.
If you build your car for nopi you can't run NHRA - rules
If you build your car for NHRA, chances are you won't be able to run with the nopi spec cars.

Someone needs to take down the great wall of seperation between these two sactioning bodies. Is it not possible for them to talk about rules together and run the same rules?

NHRA gets

from me Nopi might get depending on my mood.

 

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Stephanie you have a short memory the 8-9 cars where promises by the whiners who asked to slow gm down not by nopi

 

I thought the rules were made perfectly clear during the off season. Pro 4 Cylinder
NO METHANOL allowed. I was just made aware about a month ago that methanol was put back in the class.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by awdnot2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought the rules were made perfectly clear during the off season. Pro 4 Cylinder
NO METHANOL allowed. I was just made aware about a month ago that methanol was put back in the class.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You Sir are CORRECT!!! This class was going to be a slower class were a lot of people could compete. Not anymore. It was going to be a high 8s, low 9s class.

I was hoping to race 2-3 races in this class, but now I'm not too sure. Everyone tells you that the switch to Meth is easy when your on Honda-Tech, but everyone I have seen try has struggled, and blown up a lot of ****. I personally don't have the $$$s to start hurting motors switching to Meth.

 

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No, I'm talking about what came out of Glenn's mouth, not the bs back and forth on this forum about the topic.
Glenn said he knew of 8-9 cars (approximately) that would be built or finished for the ProGT class. New cars or prior race cars just sitting, that would come out taking advantage of the rules in ProGT, the full tube chassis & 3/4 chassis rules...

 

Yeah switching to methanol last minute is just not happening. From what I undestand now meth in pro4 incures a weight penalty and a turbo rescriction down to 70mm.

Modified by awdnot2 at 10:07 AM 5/1/2006


Modified by awdnot2 at 10:19 AM 5/1/2006

 

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Okay my info was premature? I'm still hoping we can have some racing good racing for the next Maryland and St. Louis (Madison, IL) events.

 

So is that the plan, change to a 70mm turbo on alcohol in Pro 4? I know Darryl didn't just make that up on his own. If that's the plan, let it be known so people have time to make necessary changes please.

 

Changing a rule like that at the start of the season could easily **** some people off. Where is Joe Demaree this year? I know he was running great on gas in 2004. I think he was the fastest Honda on gas. Last year he switched to methanol. Just imagine how pissed he would be if after switching to methanol for 2005, he had to switch back to gas for 2006 and NOW he hears he can run methanol.

I think keeping the class to gas only helps make for a better field. low to high 8's

 

It sure is funny when someone works there *** off to go fast, everyone starts there bitchin. First of all honda fans should be happy there is a fast honda in line with all the gm's, and second why are you guys bitching when you didn't even show up to race, I have gone to the first two nopi events, and the first event we only ran 9.13's it was any ones race. The second race I am sorry that you people bitching did not show up again, we had a awesome track with awesome air, and yes I took advantage of that on the 26" slicks. It sounds like every one wants to bench race, I am not very good at that, I have to show my performance on the track, What you are forgetting we did this on 26" tires, that is something that no one in the country or history of sportcompact racing have ever done, If you have the correct setup, you can run this with meth or race gas. It is very cheap to switch your car from gas to meth, but much costly to go the other direction. We built our car according to the rules and I am sorry that we are on top of our game, but don't start bitching when you don't show up to race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!