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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 04:44 AM
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i've bought from eBay tokico illumina suspension kit. It contained 4 tokico shocks, and 4 sping. two of them has 5049-F part number (i've assumed that this is front spings), and other two has 5019-R part number (i think those are rear). After installing my rear was lower then front... i dont know if this normal or not? where i can get manual on spings?
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Old May 2, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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any1?
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Old May 25, 2006 | 11:20 PM
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did u ever find out the answer? if F stood for front and R for rear?
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Old May 26, 2006 | 09:58 AM
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It's normal when using a spring kit for it to look like the rear is lowered alot more than the front due to the rear body panels.

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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 03:37 PM
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sorry to bring back an old thread but I ran into this same problem. My front of my car was lifted enought that i could easly put my fist into my fender/ wheel gap and my rear sits completly fine. WTF TOKICO! thanks for letting me waste my money on some wack springs. i got a 4x4 civic now
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 03:39 PM
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Default Re: Confused with Tokico illuminas

And yes F stand for "Front" and R is for "Rear" so i didnt switch the two
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Old Nov 2, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by whitericethinktwice
sorry to bring back an old thread but I ran into this same problem. My front of my car was lifted enought that i could easly put my fist into my fender/ wheel gap and my rear sits completly fine. WTF TOKICO! thanks for letting me waste my money on some wack springs. i got a 4x4 civic now
You can post up a pic for others to better see how it sits, but I think you already have your answer.

Originally Posted by AutoXer
It's normal when using a spring kit for it to look like the rear is lowered alot more than the front due to the rear body panels.
Eibach lowering springs have the same effect. People claim that the rear was lowered more than the front, because of the fender opening size differences front to back, even though they lower the car evenly.
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 12:24 AM
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Default Re: Confused with Tokico illuminas

It happened to me too same setup.
I think its cuz their kit is for the integra AND civic so its stiffer/higher up front for the additional 100 lbs+ of the tegs
Thats my theory

I cut my front springs. I know i know bad move
What bad outcomes can come from this?
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fastrxu
It happened to me too same setup.
I think its cuz their kit is for the integra AND civic so its stiffer/higher up front for the additional 100 lbs+ of the tegs
Thats my theory
A reasonable theory. Not sure I entirely agree with it, but reasonable.

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I cut my front springs. I know i know bad move
What bad outcomes can come from this?
Ride height is lower without enough added spring rate to prevent bottoming out.
Ride height is lower than intended, and shock is no longer at the height intended for use (probably not an issue with Illuminas).

Really, it depends on how much you cut. I would have tried the "shock fork trick" to get a slight additional lowering on the front without resorting to cutting springs. If that isn't sufficient of a height change, then I would suggest spring spacers for the rear. Both of these steps still leave the parts "undamaged" (unmodified), unlike cutting material off the spring.
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 04:55 PM
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Default Re: Confused with Tokico illuminas

^^^ can u elaborate on these alternative methods for lowering without cutting?
I only cut about 1 3/4 inch from fronts only. They dont bottom out only rarely.
What is the spacers in the rear trick?
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Old Nov 3, 2009 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fastrxu
^^^ can u elaborate on these alternative methods for lowering without cutting?
I only cut about 1 3/4 inch from fronts only. They dont bottom out only rarely.
What is the spacers in the rear trick?
Shock fork trick:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/%5Bfaq%5D-how-extended-shock-travel-56k-better-get-some-coffee-469485/
Read down to post #8.
There are better posts explaining this, that's just the first search result I got.

Rear spacer would raise the rear slightly. If the issue is the rear is too low compared to the front, lowering the front further or raising the rear will correct the imbalance.


And OT, but learning how to use Google can save a lot of question asking.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...ock+fork+trick
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Old Nov 4, 2009 | 11:49 PM
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Default Re: Confused with Tokico illuminas

I did look it up right after i posted.
But the purpose of this website is to share knowledge with everyone else thats why i wanted it posted for everyone to see. When i ask for info i ALSO look it up. That way other people that have my same question can benefit.
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Old Nov 5, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fastrxu
I did look it up right after i posted.
But the purpose of this website is to share knowledge with everyone else thats why i wanted it posted for everyone to see. When i ask for info i ALSO look it up. That way other people that have my same question can benefit.
Fair enough. That's why I tried to quickly point to at least a partial answer.

I was mostly trying to demonstrate the "site:" feature of Google search, but did a poor job of explaining that. The search here is decent, but nothing even close to what a site limited Google search can get you.
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