Hey I have these valve keepers from my trashed head. I thought they were stock until i took apart my new stock head and noticed a clear difference between the two.

Do these look aftermarket or just newer stock?

Old Stock Keeper Installed:


New Stock Keeper/Aftermarket? Installed:


Side by Side [old on left new on right]:


Thoughts? Just wondering cause i already assembled my head with the stock keepers but now im going thru and redoing it with these other ones and im wondering if my efforts are justified... i already did the intake side with the new ones and then i noticed the difference in how they seat...

 

i just did the keepers in my head, i used ferrera. to me the keepers on the left of the bottom pic look like the ferrea's i just installed.

edit: the aftermarket ones are bigger than the stock


Modified by speeddave at 1:24 PM 4/21/2006

 

well i know for sure the ones on the left are stock...100%

 

and they are bigger?

 

yeah the stock ones seem to sit a lil higher on the retainer than the others... but they look like they are made of different metals too

 

i dont have any pics but i know that the aftermarket ones that i used were black, and the stock ones are more of a plain metal look.

 

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ah the pick doesnt show well but the left one is more brown/oil colored and the one on the right looks more like fresh metal

 

pic with flash:
mystery keepers on the left in this one, stock on right

 

haha, well now i am not so sure. sorry dude. i am looking at my old stock ones, and they look just like the ones you have pictured.

edit: is the retaining edge on the inside of the keeper in the same place on both sets of keepers?

 

I just pulled the valves out of my b18c head tonight and the keepers are the same as turbotime's (on the right)

 

so then the other are aftermarket? does it look like they seat too low?

 

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best detail i could get:

#1 Mystery Left | Stock Right


#2 Stock Left | Mystery Right


#3 Stock Left | Mystery Right


They seem thinner by stronger? idk need input!

*edit : the *mystery keeper* has survived dropping a valve (idk if stock do as well)

 

hmm wish i could help but it looks like you have a damn nice camera

 

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Why did the mystery retainer survive dropping a valve??

 

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i have no idea, the valve face blew off but the retainer/keeper stayed! ti retainers + mystery keeper... very strange. Valves were aftermarket- now they are trash

 

was the valve the same manufacturer as those retainers? Valvetrain **** is risky man, it can trash your whole motor and turbo if something fails, i only use high quality proven stuff. It's not worth the chance with cheap ****.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">was the valve the same manufacturer as those retainers? Valvetrain **** is risky man, it can trash your whole motor and turbo if something fails, i only use high quality proven stuff. It's not worth the chance with cheap ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree, and i know ALLLLLL too well.

Say hello to the valves from cylinder #1 of my last build *aftermarket valves:


If the old keepers survived THIS then that leads me to believe they are of superior strength and i would want to use them in my next build. But then again they seat kind low on the omnipower retainers so idk...

i need some input or

 

Well, the retainers and keepers "surviving" that doesn't really say too much. They don't see much load from something like that. I'd get some ferrea valvetrain and be done with it... So my vote..

 

ok so witht he option of the mystery vs stock u choose stock?

What do u think about the seat height? too low? Maybe ill just buy some ferrea keepers

 

Which aftermarket valves are those that are all bent up turbotime?

 

i think they are older skunk2

 

i mean the mystery keeper cant be any worse than stock. Im just concerned about how low it seats ont he retainer, like its gonna slip thru or something

 

ttttt

 

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Why do you say it can't be any worse than stock? Either it's right or it's not, one of those isn't right. Generally good retainers come with their own keepers.