AWD Accord
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AWD Accord
hey all I have a cb7 and I read somewhere awhile ago that there was an awd accord somewhere, i think maybe a wagon? anyways i was wondering if anybody knew about it cause if there is i wanna do the awd conversion to my car.. i think it'd be sick to smoke all 4 in an accord next to some evo
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Re: AWD Accord (lazyAE86)
You might've been reading the post where I got flamed for thinking there was an awd lude, the awd accord is probably jdm, and you're gonna have to do some serious engine work to burn all 4 tires at once.
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Re: AWD Accord (I R Tylor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I R Tylor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think there was an awd accord wagon, it also had the h23 vtec.</TD></TR></TABLE>you are correct ...
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Re: AWD Accord (95AccordVtec)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95AccordVtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are correct ...</TD></TR></TABLE>
really? it came from the factory AWD? please post more info
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theres a AWD civic a long time ago, maybe thats what u were thinking of? and theres a integra coverted to AWD using a CR-V drivetrain on ebay awhile back
really? it came from the factory AWD? please post more info
...theres a AWD civic a long time ago, maybe thats what u were thinking of? and theres a integra coverted to AWD using a CR-V drivetrain on ebay awhile back
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Re: AWD Accord (pos_cd5)
yes, there was in fact an awd accord in the japanese domestic market...it was rare and was only manufactured for 2 years...and yes, it had the h23 vtec motor in it...good luck finding or getting ahold of one...oh, and also, they were unfortunately all automatic...
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Re: AWD Accord (Nick H)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh, and also, they were unfortunately all automatic...</TD></TR></TABLE>
There goes his dream of "smokin all 4"
There goes his dream of "smokin all 4"
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Re: AWD Accord (philadd)
well, for the orig. poster..before u go pursuing this AWD accord project, keep in mind not all AWD systems improve handling, most AWD systems ont he market r just for safety and are not developed/engineered for high speed cornering and spirited driving
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Re: AWD Accord (philadd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by philadd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I stand corrected. I wonder why I never heard about them...</TD></TR></TABLE>
The kind of AWD that has previously been provided is a fluid drive that is akin to the CRV's kind of AWD. It's an emergency-use AWD, occasional-use AWD that comes on when the computer detects that a front wheel is slipping.
You're hardly going to be able to do any serious off roading, and you're hardly going to embarrass an EVO or STi.
On the other hand, there is hope for the future. The USDM Accord/Inspire platform is the exact same platform that the AWD Legend/RL uses, and it would be no huge trick of engineering to put the SH AWD on that platform at some point in the future.
The USDM Accord is scheduled for a complete model makeover for the 2008 model year, and it's possible you might see SH AWD on an Accord at that time.
We should also be aware that AWD is not the answer for everyone, nor is it the answer for every performance situation. People who've actually taken a new RL to the track or to an autocross have come away thinking that it did not work out very well. Even the "SH" AWD is not so performance oriented that it's going to be a competition for small, compact AWD cars like the STi.
Perhaps the next iteration of SH AWD will provide what you're after.
I stand corrected. I wonder why I never heard about them...</TD></TR></TABLE>
The kind of AWD that has previously been provided is a fluid drive that is akin to the CRV's kind of AWD. It's an emergency-use AWD, occasional-use AWD that comes on when the computer detects that a front wheel is slipping.
You're hardly going to be able to do any serious off roading, and you're hardly going to embarrass an EVO or STi.
On the other hand, there is hope for the future. The USDM Accord/Inspire platform is the exact same platform that the AWD Legend/RL uses, and it would be no huge trick of engineering to put the SH AWD on that platform at some point in the future.
The USDM Accord is scheduled for a complete model makeover for the 2008 model year, and it's possible you might see SH AWD on an Accord at that time.
We should also be aware that AWD is not the answer for everyone, nor is it the answer for every performance situation. People who've actually taken a new RL to the track or to an autocross have come away thinking that it did not work out very well. Even the "SH" AWD is not so performance oriented that it's going to be a competition for small, compact AWD cars like the STi.
Perhaps the next iteration of SH AWD will provide what you're after.
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Re: AWD Accord (George Knighton)
personally, i would expect the SH AWD to eventually be adjustable by the driver.....if the succesor to the NSX is gonna have SH AWD, its gonna HAVE to be more rear wheel biased
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Re: AWD Accord (Teh FW)
Honda's SH AWD is not a true AWD system like subaru's, it's much much more
honda newroom quote 2004 april
Honda's First Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive
Available Fall 2004 in the Acura RL (North America) and the Legend (Japan)
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. today announced the development of a new Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive system, called SH-AWD, that provides cornering performance that responds faithfully to driver input, and outstanding vehicle stability. A world's first, the SH-AWD system combines front-rear torque distribution control with independently regulated torque distribution to the left and right rear wheels to freely distribute the optimum amount of torque to all four wheels in accordance with driving conditions. The new system will be available this fall in the Acura RL (North America) and the Legend (Japan).
By monitoring driver input and driving conditions, the SH-AWD system determines the optimum front-rear and lateral (left-right) torque distribution. This information is then conveyed to the rear differential, where direct electromagnetic clutches continuously regulate and vary front-rear torque distribution between ratios of 30:70 and 70:30, and lateral torque distribution in the rear wheels between ratios of 100:0 and 0:100. Torque is used not only for propulsion, but for cornering as well, resulting in a significant enhancement in vehicle maneuverability.
The SH-AWD system is composed of sensors to detect steering angle, lateral g, and other vehicle information; an ECU; and the rear differential. The direct electromagnetic clutches inside the rear differential, another world's first, employ electromagnets to obtain precise control over the multi-plate clutches. Built-in search coils monitor the gaps between the electromagnets and the magnetic body to achieve precise, continuously variable torque regulation.
The rear differential is also equipped with a built-in acceleration device, yet another world's first. During cornering, the track of the outside rear wheel normally falls outside the average of the tracks of the front wheels. The outside rear wheel does not rotate fast enough to keep up with the front wheels, preventing efficient transmission of torque. To counteract this problem, the SH-AWD acceleration device alters the gearing to speed up the outside rear wheel's rotation relative to the front wheels. This reduces torque transmission losses and significantly improves vehicle maneuverability.
At Honda, driving pleasure is regarded as one of the most important factors in vehicle development. The new SH-AWD system features "feed-forward" control, which utilizes the degree of driver input to determine appropriate torque distribution. This results in a super-neutral steering feel that responds with optimal faithfulness to the driver's handling of the steering wheel, realizing outstanding driving comfort and stability.
Torque Distribution Regulation
• Acceleration during cornering
Torque to the rear wheels is continuously varied to supply up to 100% to the outside wheel and 0% to the inside wheel. This creates an inward yaw moment, significantly improving vehicle handling.
*Yaw moment is turning torque relative to the vertical axis running through the vehicle's center of gravity.
• Deceleration during cornering (throttle closed)
Torque to the outside rear wheel is freely varied to change from an inward to an outward yaw moment, ensuring vehicle stability at all times.
• Straight-line driving
Front-rear torque distribution is regulated for optimum performance in accordance with the amount of torque produced. During rapid acceleration the load on the front wheels is reduced; conversely, rear-wheel load is reduced during cruising. The result is stable driving at all times.
System Configuration
• World's first direct electromagnetic clutch
An electromagnetic coil (electromagnet) attracts a magnetic body which, in turn, presses on the multi-plate clutch to facilitate torque transmission. A compact clutch unit, equipped with a planetary gear step-up mechanism to increase torque, permits transmission of substantial amounts of torque. A built-in search coil monitors the gap between the electromagnetic coil and the magnetic body. Current flow in the electromagnetic clutch is then adjusted to achieve highly precise torque regulation.
• Acceleration device
During straight-ahead driving, the twin-pinion planetary carrier spins in synchronization with the propeller shaft, causing the front and rear wheels to turn at the same speed. When the vehicle enters a curve, however, the planetary carrier is locked to the case, releasing the device from synchronization with the propeller shaft and accelerating the rotation speed of the rear wheels. A hydraulic actuator which turns the clutches on and off, and a one-way clutch are included in this compact configuration.
• Sensors, ECU
The input of steering angle, lateral g, yaw rate, wheel speed and other sensors monitor driver input, vehicle demeanor, and driving conditions such that the SH-AWD ECU can calculate ideal torque distribution.
just an FYI ;P if you didn't know already
honda newroom quote 2004 april
Honda's First Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive
Available Fall 2004 in the Acura RL (North America) and the Legend (Japan)
Honda Motor Co., Ltd. today announced the development of a new Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive system, called SH-AWD, that provides cornering performance that responds faithfully to driver input, and outstanding vehicle stability. A world's first, the SH-AWD system combines front-rear torque distribution control with independently regulated torque distribution to the left and right rear wheels to freely distribute the optimum amount of torque to all four wheels in accordance with driving conditions. The new system will be available this fall in the Acura RL (North America) and the Legend (Japan).
By monitoring driver input and driving conditions, the SH-AWD system determines the optimum front-rear and lateral (left-right) torque distribution. This information is then conveyed to the rear differential, where direct electromagnetic clutches continuously regulate and vary front-rear torque distribution between ratios of 30:70 and 70:30, and lateral torque distribution in the rear wheels between ratios of 100:0 and 0:100. Torque is used not only for propulsion, but for cornering as well, resulting in a significant enhancement in vehicle maneuverability.
The SH-AWD system is composed of sensors to detect steering angle, lateral g, and other vehicle information; an ECU; and the rear differential. The direct electromagnetic clutches inside the rear differential, another world's first, employ electromagnets to obtain precise control over the multi-plate clutches. Built-in search coils monitor the gaps between the electromagnets and the magnetic body to achieve precise, continuously variable torque regulation.
The rear differential is also equipped with a built-in acceleration device, yet another world's first. During cornering, the track of the outside rear wheel normally falls outside the average of the tracks of the front wheels. The outside rear wheel does not rotate fast enough to keep up with the front wheels, preventing efficient transmission of torque. To counteract this problem, the SH-AWD acceleration device alters the gearing to speed up the outside rear wheel's rotation relative to the front wheels. This reduces torque transmission losses and significantly improves vehicle maneuverability.
At Honda, driving pleasure is regarded as one of the most important factors in vehicle development. The new SH-AWD system features "feed-forward" control, which utilizes the degree of driver input to determine appropriate torque distribution. This results in a super-neutral steering feel that responds with optimal faithfulness to the driver's handling of the steering wheel, realizing outstanding driving comfort and stability.
Torque Distribution Regulation
• Acceleration during cornering
Torque to the rear wheels is continuously varied to supply up to 100% to the outside wheel and 0% to the inside wheel. This creates an inward yaw moment, significantly improving vehicle handling.
*Yaw moment is turning torque relative to the vertical axis running through the vehicle's center of gravity.
• Deceleration during cornering (throttle closed)
Torque to the outside rear wheel is freely varied to change from an inward to an outward yaw moment, ensuring vehicle stability at all times.
• Straight-line driving
Front-rear torque distribution is regulated for optimum performance in accordance with the amount of torque produced. During rapid acceleration the load on the front wheels is reduced; conversely, rear-wheel load is reduced during cruising. The result is stable driving at all times.
System Configuration
• World's first direct electromagnetic clutch
An electromagnetic coil (electromagnet) attracts a magnetic body which, in turn, presses on the multi-plate clutch to facilitate torque transmission. A compact clutch unit, equipped with a planetary gear step-up mechanism to increase torque, permits transmission of substantial amounts of torque. A built-in search coil monitors the gap between the electromagnetic coil and the magnetic body. Current flow in the electromagnetic clutch is then adjusted to achieve highly precise torque regulation.
• Acceleration device
During straight-ahead driving, the twin-pinion planetary carrier spins in synchronization with the propeller shaft, causing the front and rear wheels to turn at the same speed. When the vehicle enters a curve, however, the planetary carrier is locked to the case, releasing the device from synchronization with the propeller shaft and accelerating the rotation speed of the rear wheels. A hydraulic actuator which turns the clutches on and off, and a one-way clutch are included in this compact configuration.
• Sensors, ECU
The input of steering angle, lateral g, yaw rate, wheel speed and other sensors monitor driver input, vehicle demeanor, and driving conditions such that the SH-AWD ECU can calculate ideal torque distribution.
just an FYI ;P if you didn't know already
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and civic wagons were from 85-91 (4WD) and 6 speed
a civic AWD driver posted this up on a review page
Options:
AWD, AC, 6 speed (Was there anything else available?)
Condition:
We bought the vehicle with full maintenance records. Its engine had been completely rebuilt at 135k miles (due to the service shop forgetting to replace the timing belt); the odometer currently reads 185k and we bought it with 155k. It was in great shape with the exception of a little driveline lash while re-engaging after coasting. This is typical of older AWD's as the differentials try to synchronize.
Comfort:
This car isn't really high on creature comforts. One of its only options, the AC, almost comically disperses air from a central vent that pops up from the dash - a great option if you happen to be sitting on the middle of the rear seats ... Seats are moderately comfortable. The steering wheel is not adjustable, and at times, it's hard to find a good driving position. Noise is a little high when the climate controls are on. The engine is not especially loud, but works at full capacity for everyday driving. The radio is just short of useless and is mostly reserved for talk radio.
Quality:
Your definition of quality will also define what you might think of this vehicle. If quality is defined as "the components endure and perform as designed", then overall quality is excellent. Most interior parts are a durable textured plastic. After 180k, there are no broken ***** or really anything - save a hydraulic rear hatch "spring" that has finally lost compression. Paint on the hood has faded significantly.
Driving Impressions:
Surprisingly, the Civic wagon handles reasonably well. Body roll is notable, but the softness firms up as the car nears its limits. As the Civic AWD is a front-wheel drive first - it engages AWD upon the detection of slippage - it tends to "plow" first as its limits are reached in a corner. Soon after, however, the vehicle exhibits typical all-wheel drive traits: a driver can step on the gas to tighten up the corners with a little oversteer.
AWD System
The 85 Civic was the first year with AWD and required manual intervention to engage AWD. In our version, the 87, AWD was an automatic viscous slip even though the vehicle normally propels itself with the front axle. Both axles, amazingly enough, have a limited slip, and the rear axle is fixed. Later models moved to a floating axle. All versions have double wishbone suspensions in both axles. This model has a 6 speed - a Super Low and 5 normal gears. Fifth (technically sixth) is rather longish and contributes significantly to gas mileage.
AWD Performance
The area where we live is, at times, significantly snowy and icy. We live on the side of a canyon where getting out to the road in snow entails driving up a quarter mile switchback some 200 ft in elevation.
I can say without reservation that this vehicle is truly one of the best snow cars I've ever had; I've owned a GMC with positrac and Detroit lockers, an Audi S6 with a locking rear differential and 90% of available power to any wheel, a 4 Runner, and several Subarus. Incredibly, mounted with good 14" snow tires, it could get out of places the Subaru Forester had trouble - even though the Forester had a limited slip in the rear.
During this one snowy winter where snow lay on the ground for over a month, we decided to go up to a local state park. On a back road, it seemed completely undeterred by trodding through snow that swelled up over the headlights. Coming out of the hills, some of the snow melted and turned to black ice. Rounding a turn, we were stopped by a police cadet waving a flashlight. We came to stop, and as the cadet gingerly walked up to our car, he promptly fell over. He clambered back up using the door handle like a mountain climber's grip. His words: "Now that you've stopped, you'll be like all of the others around the corner; they can't go anywhere." We put it in reverse, turned around, and drove back up the hill with no discernible slipping or sliding. (We waited for the cadet to release his grip on the car door first, though.)
Functionality:
Gas mileage typically hovers around 34 mpg and has ranged as high as 42 on the highway. Space is quite impressive. Overhead height is more than enough for a six foot driver. Forward thinking interior design creates an light roomy feeling. Rear "mini skylights" keep the entire car bright on the inside. Cubic volume is impressive when the rear seats are folded flat. The engine runs best and most efficiently at around 3k rpm but will not break any land speed records.
Its overall exterior design also makes it an excellent airport car - one you can leave while you go on vacation and return to find it untouched. We've never found it to have made any of the Insurance Institute's "Most Stolen Vehicles" lists.
a civic AWD driver posted this up on a review page
Options:
AWD, AC, 6 speed (Was there anything else available?)
Condition:
We bought the vehicle with full maintenance records. Its engine had been completely rebuilt at 135k miles (due to the service shop forgetting to replace the timing belt); the odometer currently reads 185k and we bought it with 155k. It was in great shape with the exception of a little driveline lash while re-engaging after coasting. This is typical of older AWD's as the differentials try to synchronize.
Comfort:
This car isn't really high on creature comforts. One of its only options, the AC, almost comically disperses air from a central vent that pops up from the dash - a great option if you happen to be sitting on the middle of the rear seats ... Seats are moderately comfortable. The steering wheel is not adjustable, and at times, it's hard to find a good driving position. Noise is a little high when the climate controls are on. The engine is not especially loud, but works at full capacity for everyday driving. The radio is just short of useless and is mostly reserved for talk radio.
Quality:
Your definition of quality will also define what you might think of this vehicle. If quality is defined as "the components endure and perform as designed", then overall quality is excellent. Most interior parts are a durable textured plastic. After 180k, there are no broken ***** or really anything - save a hydraulic rear hatch "spring" that has finally lost compression. Paint on the hood has faded significantly.
Driving Impressions:
Surprisingly, the Civic wagon handles reasonably well. Body roll is notable, but the softness firms up as the car nears its limits. As the Civic AWD is a front-wheel drive first - it engages AWD upon the detection of slippage - it tends to "plow" first as its limits are reached in a corner. Soon after, however, the vehicle exhibits typical all-wheel drive traits: a driver can step on the gas to tighten up the corners with a little oversteer.
AWD System
The 85 Civic was the first year with AWD and required manual intervention to engage AWD. In our version, the 87, AWD was an automatic viscous slip even though the vehicle normally propels itself with the front axle. Both axles, amazingly enough, have a limited slip, and the rear axle is fixed. Later models moved to a floating axle. All versions have double wishbone suspensions in both axles. This model has a 6 speed - a Super Low and 5 normal gears. Fifth (technically sixth) is rather longish and contributes significantly to gas mileage.
AWD Performance
The area where we live is, at times, significantly snowy and icy. We live on the side of a canyon where getting out to the road in snow entails driving up a quarter mile switchback some 200 ft in elevation.
I can say without reservation that this vehicle is truly one of the best snow cars I've ever had; I've owned a GMC with positrac and Detroit lockers, an Audi S6 with a locking rear differential and 90% of available power to any wheel, a 4 Runner, and several Subarus. Incredibly, mounted with good 14" snow tires, it could get out of places the Subaru Forester had trouble - even though the Forester had a limited slip in the rear.
During this one snowy winter where snow lay on the ground for over a month, we decided to go up to a local state park. On a back road, it seemed completely undeterred by trodding through snow that swelled up over the headlights. Coming out of the hills, some of the snow melted and turned to black ice. Rounding a turn, we were stopped by a police cadet waving a flashlight. We came to stop, and as the cadet gingerly walked up to our car, he promptly fell over. He clambered back up using the door handle like a mountain climber's grip. His words: "Now that you've stopped, you'll be like all of the others around the corner; they can't go anywhere." We put it in reverse, turned around, and drove back up the hill with no discernible slipping or sliding. (We waited for the cadet to release his grip on the car door first, though.)
Functionality:
Gas mileage typically hovers around 34 mpg and has ranged as high as 42 on the highway. Space is quite impressive. Overhead height is more than enough for a six foot driver. Forward thinking interior design creates an light roomy feeling. Rear "mini skylights" keep the entire car bright on the inside. Cubic volume is impressive when the rear seats are folded flat. The engine runs best and most efficiently at around 3k rpm but will not break any land speed records.
Its overall exterior design also makes it an excellent airport car - one you can leave while you go on vacation and return to find it untouched. We've never found it to have made any of the Insurance Institute's "Most Stolen Vehicles" lists.
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