Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look??
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Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look??
Over all these years of modifying Hondas and this is the first time I've actually gone and had an alignment done. lol
Usually I trade wheels and tires so often that I don't bother with worrying about tire wear etc.
But, I am slowly trying to settle down and stick with a setup for a period of time so I went and got my alignment done. I just bought some new tires last week as well so I wanted to make sure I don't wear them out too quickly.
Anyways, so here are my results.
How bad is my camber? I was thinking about picking up a camber kit for the front and doing the washer trick in the back if it's bad enough. From what I've read though, if the toe is good, then I shouldn't get too much camber wear.
Anyways, what are "SAI" and "included angle"? And, why do they give three readings for the front and three for the rear?
I'm pretty clueless when it comes to alignment specs, but I'm trying to learn as much as possible.
Usually I trade wheels and tires so often that I don't bother with worrying about tire wear etc.
But, I am slowly trying to settle down and stick with a setup for a period of time so I went and got my alignment done. I just bought some new tires last week as well so I wanted to make sure I don't wear them out too quickly.
Anyways, so here are my results.
How bad is my camber? I was thinking about picking up a camber kit for the front and doing the washer trick in the back if it's bad enough. From what I've read though, if the toe is good, then I shouldn't get too much camber wear.
Anyways, what are "SAI" and "included angle"? And, why do they give three readings for the front and three for the rear?
I'm pretty clueless when it comes to alignment specs, but I'm trying to learn as much as possible.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (Understeer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Understeer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Rear toe is still out of spec, was the technician not able to set them to zero?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not sure. He didn't say anything about that... I would hope that he set them the best he could. Is it something I should worry about or take back and have them fix it?
I could jack the car up and check the compensating arms to see if the adjustment is maxed out I guess.
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I won't worry about the camber then. I've been reading other threads about the camber issue and I think the conclusion is that as long as the toe is good, then a few degrees of negative camber doesn't hurt.
Rear toe is still out of spec, was the technician not able to set them to zero?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not sure. He didn't say anything about that... I would hope that he set them the best he could. Is it something I should worry about or take back and have them fix it?
I could jack the car up and check the compensating arms to see if the adjustment is maxed out I guess.
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I won't worry about the camber then. I've been reading other threads about the camber issue and I think the conclusion is that as long as the toe is good, then a few degrees of negative camber doesn't hurt.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (EJ1 wilcox)
um yea ur sai is whats messed up. And ur camber can be affected by that fyi. maybe u hit sometine? casue sai not adjustable
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (integra686)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integra686 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">um yea ur sai is whats messed up. And ur camber can be affected by that fyi. maybe u hit sometine? casue sai not adjustable</TD></TR></TABLE>
What is "SAI"?
This car doesn't even have a door ding. It's never been in any kind of accident what so ever, not even a fender bender.
What is "SAI"?
This car doesn't even have a door ding. It's never been in any kind of accident what so ever, not even a fender bender.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (EJ1 wilcox)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ1 wilcox »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What is "SAI"?
This car doesn't even have a door ding. It's never been in any kind of accident what so ever, not even a fender bender.
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SAI is steering axis inclination.
Edit:
Found this site explaining the terms.
http://aligncraft.com/terms/terms.html
What is "SAI"?
This car doesn't even have a door ding. It's never been in any kind of accident what so ever, not even a fender bender.
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SAI is steering axis inclination.
Edit:
Found this site explaining the terms.
http://aligncraft.com/terms/terms.html
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (Understeer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Understeer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camber is perfectly fine, you do not need a camber kit!
Rear toe is still out of spec, was the technician not able to set them to zero?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The toe is within spec... if you can't read.
Actual Front Toe -.43*
Desired Front Toe -.24*
Range + or - .24*
Do the math.
It'd be better to have it near 0* to reduce oversteer and tire wear, but having it where it's at will help with high-speed stability. Though, honestly very few people are going to be able to notice half a degree of toe.
Rear toe is still out of spec, was the technician not able to set them to zero?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The toe is within spec... if you can't read.
Actual Front Toe -.43*
Desired Front Toe -.24*
Range + or - .24*
Do the math.
It'd be better to have it near 0* to reduce oversteer and tire wear, but having it where it's at will help with high-speed stability. Though, honestly very few people are going to be able to notice half a degree of toe.
Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
When you increase your negative camber, the tires are more sensitive to toe settings. When .2* of toe would not wear tires at 0* camber settings, it may significantly increase wear at 2* negative camber. You won't know for sure until you drive it for a long time...
If possible, I would see if they can re-do the rear to zero the toe out (even though it's within spec range)...
Modified by 94eg! at 11:43 AM 4/18/2006
If possible, I would see if they can re-do the rear to zero the toe out (even though it's within spec range)...
Modified by 94eg! at 11:43 AM 4/18/2006
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The toe is within spec... if you can't read.
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Even toe that is 'in spec' can cause tire wear if your car is lowered / has excessive camber. I would take it back, and see how close to zero he can get it.
Oops... 94 beat me to it.
The toe is within spec... if you can't read.
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Even toe that is 'in spec' can cause tire wear if your car is lowered / has excessive camber. I would take it back, and see how close to zero he can get it.
Oops... 94 beat me to it.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (AutoXer)
Uneven tire wear is caused by camber. Even tire wear that is happening too quickly is caused by toe settings out of whack. He brought it to a generic alignment shop, I wouldn't expect too much more out of them. Most alignment shops pricing isn't inline with a full-on race alignment with exact camber and toe settings. They get it close enough to where it drives right. And it's ONE QUARTER OF A DEGREE from stock, there's a reason there are spec's and if you're really worried about tire wear, worry more about the unevenness of it caused by the camber which isn't within spec. 
This coming from someone who does alignments on race cars.
This coming from someone who does alignments on race cars.
Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Uneven tire wear is caused by camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's funny: People who "do" alignments, are ALWAYS the ones that say "camber is the cause of uneven tire wear". Yet the people who actually drive the cars have proven time and time again, THAT'S NOT TRUE!
Please sir, explain how I can get 45k+ miles on a set of 205/40/16 Bridgstone Euro TAs with the civic lowered 3" and absoloutly NO camber adjustment. Please explain how some street cars require up to 5* of static camber and still maintain proper tread life...
It's funny: People who "do" alignments, are ALWAYS the ones that say "camber is the cause of uneven tire wear". Yet the people who actually drive the cars have proven time and time again, THAT'S NOT TRUE!
Please sir, explain how I can get 45k+ miles on a set of 205/40/16 Bridgstone Euro TAs with the civic lowered 3" and absoloutly NO camber adjustment. Please explain how some street cars require up to 5* of static camber and still maintain proper tread life...
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (94eg!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here we go again.... 
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Haha...
Yeah, I've been reading through pages of this stuff all day. lol.
Someone has to keep the camber kit manufacturers in business right?
As for me... I'll go without a camber kit for now. I have brand new tires on there so I'll check the tire wear from time to time as I rotate them. We'll see what happens!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Haha...
Yeah, I've been reading through pages of this stuff all day. lol.
Someone has to keep the camber kit manufacturers in business right?
As for me... I'll go without a camber kit for now. I have brand new tires on there so I'll check the tire wear from time to time as I rotate them. We'll see what happens!
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (94eg!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's funny: People who "do" alignments, are ALWAYS the ones that say "camber is the cause of uneven tire wear". Yet the people who actually drive the cars have proven time and time again, THAT'S NOT TRUE! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't know if you've ever raced, been to a track, or anything in between. But that's what taking tire temps is about. You can be running -3* camber all around but if the temps are equal then on average it's getting equal wear across the tread of the tire. Make sense? Thought so.
Just because it doesn't make sense in your tiny little head don't just giggle and laugh and look like a dumbass. Do some research.
http://www.specprod.com/TECH_D....HTML
"Tire Smooth On One Side
When a tire is wearing smooth on one side, it can safely be assumed that the worn area is where road contact is being made. In this case, not only is the tire wear being significantly accelerated, but control of the vehicle and handling performance are reduced.
The major cause of this tire wear pattern is <U>camber misadjustment</U>. Incorrect camber adjustment can result from worn chassis parts, (springs, steering linkage, bushings, ball joints, etc.) or previous misalignment. Excessive positive camber will wear the outside edge of the tire and excessive negative camber will wear the inside edge of the tire.
Sometimes, incorrect toe adjustment will cause shoulder wear on one side (outside wear for toe-in and inside wear for toe-out). To correct the condition, alignment and tire rotation or replacement is necessary.
Feather Edging
Feather edging will normally occur if the <U>toe adjustment is incorrect</U>. Misadjustment of toe can develop from defective chassis parts, incorrect turning radius or misalignment. Defective chassis parts are not the direct cause of feather edging but will allow toe to go out of adjustment resulting in a wear pattern. Any change in the suspension height of a vehicle will change toe measurement.
Feather edging is identified by sliding the hand across the tire tread surface. Depending to which extreme the toe is misadjusted (in or out), sharp edges will be felt in one direction and smoothness will be felt in the opposite direction. Feather edging can result in a direction pull and eventually ruin the tires.
To correct the condition, alignment and tire rotation or replacement is necessary. "
What now?
Though so. Shut the expletive up unless you know what you're talking about. 
Modified by backpurge at 11:37 PM 4/18/2006
It's funny: People who "do" alignments, are ALWAYS the ones that say "camber is the cause of uneven tire wear". Yet the people who actually drive the cars have proven time and time again, THAT'S NOT TRUE! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't know if you've ever raced, been to a track, or anything in between. But that's what taking tire temps is about. You can be running -3* camber all around but if the temps are equal then on average it's getting equal wear across the tread of the tire. Make sense? Thought so.
Just because it doesn't make sense in your tiny little head don't just giggle and laugh and look like a dumbass. Do some research.
http://www.specprod.com/TECH_D....HTML
"Tire Smooth On One Side
When a tire is wearing smooth on one side, it can safely be assumed that the worn area is where road contact is being made. In this case, not only is the tire wear being significantly accelerated, but control of the vehicle and handling performance are reduced.
The major cause of this tire wear pattern is <U>camber misadjustment</U>. Incorrect camber adjustment can result from worn chassis parts, (springs, steering linkage, bushings, ball joints, etc.) or previous misalignment. Excessive positive camber will wear the outside edge of the tire and excessive negative camber will wear the inside edge of the tire.
Sometimes, incorrect toe adjustment will cause shoulder wear on one side (outside wear for toe-in and inside wear for toe-out). To correct the condition, alignment and tire rotation or replacement is necessary.
Feather Edging
Feather edging will normally occur if the <U>toe adjustment is incorrect</U>. Misadjustment of toe can develop from defective chassis parts, incorrect turning radius or misalignment. Defective chassis parts are not the direct cause of feather edging but will allow toe to go out of adjustment resulting in a wear pattern. Any change in the suspension height of a vehicle will change toe measurement.
Feather edging is identified by sliding the hand across the tire tread surface. Depending to which extreme the toe is misadjusted (in or out), sharp edges will be felt in one direction and smoothness will be felt in the opposite direction. Feather edging can result in a direction pull and eventually ruin the tires.
To correct the condition, alignment and tire rotation or replacement is necessary. "
What now?
Though so. Shut the expletive up unless you know what you're talking about. Modified by backpurge at 11:37 PM 4/18/2006
Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't know if you've ever raced, been to a track, or anything in between. But that's what taking tire temps is about. You can be running -3* camber all around but if the temps are equal then on average it's getting equal wear across the tread of the tire. Make sense? Thought so. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What does that have to do with anything? I'm sure grandma's everywhere are jumpin out of their cars to take tire temp readings. Beside, this contradicts your previous statment of "camber causes uneven wear".
[You] uh, as long as your camber is set to your driving style, it won't wear your tires....uhhhhh..... wait, I mean camber wears tires unevenly[/You]..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just because it doesn't make sense in your tiny little head don't just giggle and laugh and look like a dumbass. Do some research.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You sound like a real *******...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When a tire is wearing smooth on one side, it can safely be assumed... </TD></TR></TABLE>
I think I've located your problem...
The fact remains: Any added inner edge wear as a result of increased negative camber is quickly offset by making right or left turns (not even at speed). Perhaps you learned somthing here today....
...perhaps not.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm sure grandma's everywhere are jumpin out of their cars to take tire temp readings. Beside, this contradicts your previous statment of "camber causes uneven wear".
[You] uh, as long as your camber is set to your driving style, it won't wear your tires....uhhhhh..... wait, I mean camber wears tires unevenly[/You]..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just because it doesn't make sense in your tiny little head don't just giggle and laugh and look like a dumbass. Do some research.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You sound like a real *******...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When a tire is wearing smooth on one side, it can safely be assumed... </TD></TR></TABLE>
I think I've located your problem...
The fact remains: Any added inner edge wear as a result of increased negative camber is quickly offset by making right or left turns (not even at speed). Perhaps you learned somthing here today....
...perhaps not.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (94eg!)
Wow, just wow. Completely ignoring the facts. I give up.
From Discount Tire...
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoAlignment.dos
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Misalignment Condition - Incorrect Camber Setting
Tire Wear Symptom - Premature smooth wear on either inside or outside shoulder.
"
From another Tire Retailer ...
http://www.belletire.com/cartips/tiresafety.htm
" Camber
Camber is simply the angle of the wheel when viewed from in front of the vehicle. Positive camber describes a wheel that is leaning out from the center of the car. Negative camber describes a wheel that is leaning in. A wheel leaning too far from center will cause uneven, excessive tire wear.
"
From Yahoo! Auto -
http://autos.yahoo.com/maintai....html
"Abnormal wear would be where the inside or outside edge or shoulder of the tire shows extreme wear, but the rest of the tread shows little wear. This is called "camber" wear and results from the tire leaning in or out (it should be straight up and down when rolling down the road). Camber wear can be caused by suspension misalignment, a bent strut, a mislocated strut tower (often the result of unrepaired collision damage), a weak or broken spring, a bent spindle, or collapsed or damaged control arm bushings.
"
Modified by backpurge at 12:01 AM 4/19/2006
Modified by backpurge at 12:01 AM 4/19/2006
I give up.From Discount Tire...
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoAlignment.dos
"
Misalignment Condition - Incorrect Camber Setting
Tire Wear Symptom - Premature smooth wear on either inside or outside shoulder.
"
From another Tire Retailer ...
http://www.belletire.com/cartips/tiresafety.htm
" Camber
Camber is simply the angle of the wheel when viewed from in front of the vehicle. Positive camber describes a wheel that is leaning out from the center of the car. Negative camber describes a wheel that is leaning in. A wheel leaning too far from center will cause uneven, excessive tire wear.
"
From Yahoo! Auto -
http://autos.yahoo.com/maintai....html
"Abnormal wear would be where the inside or outside edge or shoulder of the tire shows extreme wear, but the rest of the tread shows little wear. This is called "camber" wear and results from the tire leaning in or out (it should be straight up and down when rolling down the road). Camber wear can be caused by suspension misalignment, a bent strut, a mislocated strut tower (often the result of unrepaired collision damage), a weak or broken spring, a bent spindle, or collapsed or damaged control arm bushings.
"
Modified by backpurge at 12:01 AM 4/19/2006
Modified by backpurge at 12:01 AM 4/19/2006
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
-2.5* is not excessive camber.
dont ignore what the SPC article also says:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> incorrect toe adjustment will cause shoulder wear on one side (outside wear for toe-in and inside wear for toe-out). To correct the condition, alignment and tire rotation or replacement is necessary.</TD></TR></TABLE>
keep in mind, honda uses double wishbone suspension which controls camber much better compared to the more general macpherson strut suspension. those articles are written for all kinds of vehicles, including trucks (just look at those example tires!).
we're saying for hondas, you dont have to worry about camber. its typically the toe that needs adjustment to provide long tread life.
dont ignore what the SPC article also says:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> incorrect toe adjustment will cause shoulder wear on one side (outside wear for toe-in and inside wear for toe-out). To correct the condition, alignment and tire rotation or replacement is necessary.</TD></TR></TABLE>
keep in mind, honda uses double wishbone suspension which controls camber much better compared to the more general macpherson strut suspension. those articles are written for all kinds of vehicles, including trucks (just look at those example tires!).
we're saying for hondas, you dont have to worry about camber. its typically the toe that needs adjustment to provide long tread life.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (Tyson)
Toe definitely has a big part in tire life. But not very much in one side of the tire wearing while the other is not, that is mainly caused by camber.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toe definitely has a big part in tire life. But not very much in one side of the tire wearing while the other is not, that is mainly caused by camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no really, from empirical experience, that is consistent with tire physics and suspension geometry, toe is the main contributor to uneven tire wear.
believe what you want to believe. this is a honda forum, not a nissan or truck forum. toe needs more attention than camber.
no really, from empirical experience, that is consistent with tire physics and suspension geometry, toe is the main contributor to uneven tire wear.
believe what you want to believe. this is a honda forum, not a nissan or truck forum. toe needs more attention than camber.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toe definitely has a big part in tire life. But not very much in one side of the tire wearing while the other is not, that is mainly caused by camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it's not the cause, but rather a factor. Toe is the only cause, and camber just effects how and where the wear can occur.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't know if you've ever raced, been to a track, or anything in between.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So what racing or suspension setup experience do you have? Just curious.
I can get my toe set to 0 using metal plates and a tape measure. An 'average tech' should be able to do the same with all the fancy equipment. Most just don't care too.
Also, by posting links and picks from retailers doesn't make it true. They want to sell alignments and camber kits / bolts.
I was in Sears a few weeks ago to get some tires mounted. I went into their back room with the manager to look up a special order on the computer, and they had a huge sign in the employee area "sell alignments!".
So, I go back to the counter, and there was a guy there who's daughter went through 3 sets of tires in about as many months on her car. The tech comes in and the guys behind the counter were discussing how bad his camber was, how it caused all his problems, blah blah. They sold him a $30 camber bolt to fix -0.9* of camber. You know what his toe out was? Nearly 3/4 of an inch from running into a curb. Yeah, it must have been the camber.
No, it's not the cause, but rather a factor. Toe is the only cause, and camber just effects how and where the wear can occur.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't know if you've ever raced, been to a track, or anything in between.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So what racing or suspension setup experience do you have? Just curious.
I can get my toe set to 0 using metal plates and a tape measure. An 'average tech' should be able to do the same with all the fancy equipment. Most just don't care too.
Also, by posting links and picks from retailers doesn't make it true. They want to sell alignments and camber kits / bolts.
I was in Sears a few weeks ago to get some tires mounted. I went into their back room with the manager to look up a special order on the computer, and they had a huge sign in the employee area "sell alignments!".
So, I go back to the counter, and there was a guy there who's daughter went through 3 sets of tires in about as many months on her car. The tech comes in and the guys behind the counter were discussing how bad his camber was, how it caused all his problems, blah blah. They sold him a $30 camber bolt to fix -0.9* of camber. You know what his toe out was? Nearly 3/4 of an inch from running into a curb. Yeah, it must have been the camber.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (Tyson)
A tire that has a totally even contact patch just rolling along by itself perpendicular to the ground (0* camber) is not going to have uneven tire wear no matter what the toe is. The toe can be 45* and the tire wear will still be even, greatly increased wear across the board, but even.
As far as equipment experience...
This is some of the stuff we use.
http://www.advancedracing.com/laser_toe_gauge.php
Laser Toe Angle Gauge - Toe In
• Resolution - 1/60 of a degree or approximately .004" on 15" wheel
• Toe Accuracy better than Bear & Hunter alignment systems. It can even calibrate them!!!
http://www.advancedracing.com/...t.php
http://www.advancedracing.com/...e.php
Sweet set of platforms that are way too tall - http://www.advancedracing.com/...forms
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As far as equipment experience...
This is some of the stuff we use.
http://www.advancedracing.com/laser_toe_gauge.php
Laser Toe Angle Gauge - Toe In
• Resolution - 1/60 of a degree or approximately .004" on 15" wheel
• Toe Accuracy better than Bear & Hunter alignment systems. It can even calibrate them!!!
http://www.advancedracing.com/...t.php
http://www.advancedracing.com/...e.php
Sweet set of platforms that are way too tall - http://www.advancedracing.com/...forms
2 Sets of Longacre Digital Scales
Modified by backpurge at 12:28 AM 4/19/2006
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (backpurge)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A tire that has a totally even contact patch just rolling along by itself perpendicular to the ground (0* camber) is not going to have uneven tire wear no matter what the toe is. The toe can be 45* and the tire wear will still be even, greatly increased wear across the board, but even.
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you have no idea about slip angles do you.
tires are also pliable, 2 degrees will not affect the contact patch. they are not hockey pucks.
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you have no idea about slip angles do you.
tires are also pliable, 2 degrees will not affect the contact patch. they are not hockey pucks.
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Re: Got an alignment for the first time. How do my results look?? (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
tires are also pliable, 2 degrees will not affect the contact patch. they are not hockey pucks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So -2 degrees camber, -4 degrees... same thing. Right... with that regard that's why a lot of people on here are having problems with uneven tire wear.
And I highly doubt slip angles are going to be coming into play driving on the street.
Modified by backpurge at 12:53 AM 4/19/2006
tires are also pliable, 2 degrees will not affect the contact patch. they are not hockey pucks.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So -2 degrees camber, -4 degrees... same thing. Right... with that regard that's why a lot of people on here are having problems with uneven tire wear.
And I highly doubt slip angles are going to be coming into play driving on the street.
Modified by backpurge at 12:53 AM 4/19/2006