rather then a civic engine.. 92-95?

i know the f22s can take lots of abuse which is good for turbo

im just tryin to figure out which car should i get next for a turbo project make it a total sleeper... a civic or accordor sometin else

 

I have seen d-series engines make a lot of power on the stock bottom end as well as f-series. It's really whichever you would prefer. I'm assuming you're on a budget since your asking about the stock bottom end, and it's cheaper to make a civic faster since they weigh less.

 

why dont you just buy a prelude instead of all the hassle and money to put that engine into a civic or accord, since you have neither the engine nor the car

 

prelude much more expensive... i used to have an all motor h22.. spend about 4grand on it and parts.... for 4 grand i can buy a civic right now with a nice turbo set up that will prolly be faster then my h22....

 

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wat r u talkin about ? y would i buy a prelude ?? im not swaping anythin i wanna buy a car iether a civic or accord they r both good for me just tryin to figure out which engine in the car would be better to turbo for long lasting pleasure
i can get a prelude sure but it will cost me maybe nice 8gz to make it as fast as cvic

 

i dont know about 8gs to make a prelude able to take a civic

 

ok, yes you can find a civic with lots of stuff on it for very cheap (which may or may not be an unreliable pos). all im saying is a stock prelude for 6 or 7+ grand is way faster out of the box than a civic

 

ok well i dont have the money to buy a prelude and make it fast... it will cost ALOT to make a prelude i know this because one i had an h22 in my accord fully built cost me 4grand to build the engine for N/A application and it still wasnt as fast as 8-12psi's in a civic... and this is just the engine if i wanted to turbo the h22 it will cost me even more to get it sleeved to be able to take the boost..

im not tryin to be cheap but im lookin for a sleeper .. a car thats looks like poo and can be bought for a few grand.. most of my money will go into the turbo.. so iether i buy a civic or an 94-95 so which engine would be better the civics or the f22

 

The OP wants a car he can turn into a reliable turbo'd daily driver. If it were me, I would buy an accord, put in forged pistons, and limit it to 275-300HP.

 

i would prefer an accord myself but a civic is cost efficient, i also believe a civic would have cheaper insurance than a prelude right...?

but if you can find an F22, get the A6, its got 140 off the bat and i had one in my 92 EX, it passed 'oh my god i gotta get out of the way' test.

and i would assume you can boost a good amount on the A6 as well if im not mistaken?


Modified by KillerElfboy at 11:03 PM 4/17/2006

 

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I'm not sure on insurance for a civic, but when I had my 92 accord i was paying $300 every six months for liability. It seemed pretty decent.

 

oh yea, im paying 1000 right now every six months

 

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the civic's engine is better for boost. lower R/S ratio, much much MUCH more aftermarket support and parts are cheaper and plentiful.

 

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...what he said

 

but doesnt the f22 can handle more boost then D series ?

 

no. boost is irrelevant. it's all in how much horsepower the motor can handle. 10 psi on a T25 is not the same as 10 psi on a T88.

 

so D series can handle the most amount of boost ?

 

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I don't think you're getting it. It's how much HP the engine can handle, not how much boost.

 

ok so how much hp can the D series handle with stock insides and how much the F22 can handle ? jeez

 

i think the F22 can handle more hp

 

dont think.... i must know for sure...

 

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your d serise lacks the TQ numbers for the kind of sleeper your looking for, and b/c of its rather small 1.6litre displacment, it will limit what you can safly do to the motor before either lots of money needs to be invested, or lossing reliability.... with this said (not to play devils advocite) but the f22a is a much more prime candidate, the block can be essentaly be bare bone stock, and able to handal slightly upwards of about 250HP with no real motor prep work... as for the head, the ports and valve clearence are more then genorious, again, in their stock form... also the larger 2.2 litre displacment makes it about to put down greater TQnumbers then the d serise, iv heared of people running 8-10psi on stock f22A internals... you tell me what stock d serise block can do that?

 

I have seen stock f22a's make 300hp/tq to the wheels. You are entirely right, the d-series would lack torque.

 

the D series in a CIVIC doesn't need as much torque as an F in an accord.

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I stand by my previous statement. ^^

either way you're playing with borrowed time on stock internals. eventually it will break. when it does, do you want to be playing with a barely-supported platform, or one with many options?

 

doesnt the f22 have a lower CPR? somewhere around 8.X ? where as a stock d15/16 is somewhere in the 9.x ?

i havent looked at that in a while, but wouldnt that make a slight difference in the amount of "hp" / "boost" whatever yall were arguing about before?

also, doesnt the f22 also have iron sleeves in it from the factory? I have heard that as well.

so after those two things, makes me think the f22 is a better platform for boost. But i dont know much about it myself

i kinda skimmed through all that bickering there, but after reading through countless posts in the civic forum (when i had a civic), i learned that no matter what engine you are using, you should upgrade the internals when turboing AND get a good tune.

cheap, fast, reliable

you only get to choose two