hey guys trying to get some info on a turbo kit that i am looking at for my f23. they are called the x-factor turbo kits form xculsive customs. they have kits for the f23 with a log manifold and so forth... has anyONE ever heard of these kits, used one, have any input on one?!?!?!....let me know, i looking hard for a turbo kit for my 98 accord and they seem to have the bested priced kit for what comes with it....any help would be apprieciated,,,thats!!!...erik

 

I've never heard of it before. do you have a link to this kit anywhere?

 

yeah notr...the web site is xclusivecustomimports.com...then clikc on online store, and the first page that pops up should be a description of the X-factor turbo system.....their number is 1 877 JAP SPEC......the guy that i have talked to is rob.....once your done lookin tel me what you think...

 

from the start i'd be weary of the wastegate, since they don't give a name (looks like a Tial imitation). the site and products don't give me a great feeling of confidence...if it were my call, i would rather put the money towards either a custom pieced together kit or a more reputable off the shelf kit.

side note: after poking around that site it might just be me, but their tubular manifolds look surprisingly similar to SSAutoCrap, and are priced in the same range.

 

SSAutoChrome is awful.

Not having a dedicated fuel management system is a bad idea.

unbranded parts is also a bad idea.

Don't cheap out on a turbo setup...if you want a turbo do it right

 

I agree, that looks like cheap chinese knock off parts galore. Avoid it IMO.

 

I'd buy the kit plus all the upgrades. For like $20 with free shipping.

 

I would definitly stay away from that kit.

 

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Any thoughts on Turbonetic's FMAX with Spearco FMIC for the 98-02 Accords? Bear in mind AEM's EMS would be used for tuning, along with Walbro in-tank fuel pump. But would the MSD BTM and two extra injectors still be used? Would the stock injectors suffice or would it be a good idea to go with larger injectors to prevent fuel from pooling in the IM with this 'rigged' injector setup?

http://www.turbo-kits.com/accord_turbo_kits.html


Modified by AFAccord at 1:35 PM 4/17/2006

 

I personally am not a fan of turbonetic's turbos...I've seen too many issues pop up with them. As far as engine management with the EMS and fuel pump, you might be able to get away with running the stock injectors if you also get a fuel pressure regulator and bump up the line pressure, but I prefer to have the piece of mind running injectors designed for greater flow. When running EMS it takes the place of the extra injectors and any timing adjustment components.

 

So with EMS, Walbro pump, larger injectors, and the kit minus the extra injectors and timing components would be a solid setup? What size injectors are we looking at? I'd like to follow in the footsteps of notoriousB though not as extreme with pistons and rods for the bottom end, bored TB with port matched and polished IM and PnP head work with a mild turbo cam. I'd like to see a reliable 240-250hp for the street with the ability to push around 300 on the track safely. Is this asking too much? Am I leaving any vital pieces out of this setup?

 

thanks so far guys...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AFAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So with EMS, Walbro pump, larger injectors, and the kit minus the extra injectors and timing components would be a solid setup? </TD></TR></TABLE>
yes that would be a decent setup. you'd also want (need) a different MAP sensor to run &gt; 11 psi

If I were you I'd look at the drag kit, it's about the same as the turbonetics kit but doesn't include the extra injector bosses in the piping, 2 injectors, the MF2 fuel piggyback or the BTM unit. plus I like the way the piping is run on the drag kit better than the turbonetics setup.

 

the kit wouln't be bad, but i think that if you took the time you could easily piece together an equal or better kit for less. the numbers seem reasonable with a mild build...for the sake of reliability and longevity the build is a good idea, although i've seen f23's stock block around 270whp daily-driven. at the very least 450cc injectors and high fuel pressures will be needed to hit 300whp, but i would be leaning more towards 550-650cc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes that would be a decent setup. you'd also want (need) a different MAP sensor to run &gt; 11 psi</TD></TR></TABLE>

I do believe the FMAX kit includes a 2-bar MAP sensor.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I were you I'd look at the drag kit, it's about the same as the turbonetics kit but doesn't include the extra injector bosses in the piping, 2 injectors, the MF2 fuel piggyback or the BTM unit. plus I like the way the piping is run on the drag kit better than the turbonetics setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Alright. How would you rate drag vs turbonetics? I've never heard of the Master Power turbo.

Taking another look at the site I posted, the turbonetics kit is also available without the fuel setup. EMS, Walbro Pump, 440 and 550cc injectors are also available in addition to the kit.

 

they price is decent/not bad but i would piece everything by myself that way you could even get it for less.

some of the part they listed you might want to avoid

and yeah..anyone notice there's like way too many typo on the page?

 

from what I've heard about drag turbo kits is that the turbo manifold cracks after a couple of months ( happened to my friends integra) turbonetics have been around for a while and are a more reputable company, but imo i would piece together a kit, it normally comes out being the same price. hope this helps

 

check out these three sites http://www.ptuning.com , http://www.prostreetonline.com and http://www.optionsauto.com compare prices and kits

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iam7head &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they price is decent/not bad but i would piece everything by myself that way you could even get it for less.

some of the part they listed you might want to avoid </TD></TR></TABLE>

Which parts exactly are you speaking of? Where can I find a reputable place to purchase these parts? Money will not be an issue, though I don't want to just throw it away. I want a quality setup, not lacking any parts, and I want everything new.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AFAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do believe the FMAX kit includes a 2-bar MAP sensor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
a 2 BAR sensor will only get you to 14.5 psi, also is that 2 bar sensor supported within the AEM EMS?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AFAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright. How would you rate drag vs turbonetics? I've never heard of the Master Power turbo. </TD></TR></TABLE>
funny my drag kit came with a turbonetics turbo, not a "master power"... I've never heard of master power either.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mattf22b1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from what I've heard about drag turbo kits is that the turbo manifold cracks after a couple of months ( happened to my friends integra) turbonetics have been around for a while and are a more reputable company</TD></TR></TABLE>
the gen 3 & 4 drag manifolds do not have a cracking problem. that was only the old ones. I've been running mine for years now with no problems.

Turbonetics actually hasn't been in the turbo kit space as long as drag. The turbonetics kits are the old F-Max kits rebranded.

I agree with everyone saying you can piece a setup together cheaper, but when I bought my kit I wanted the ease of pre-made piping to minimize downtime. Plus it came out only about $400 more for the kit than it would have been to get all the same exact parts brand new, and for that extra $400 I got pre-made piping and was able to install the whole thing in one day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
a 2 BAR sensor will only get you to 14.5 psi, also is that 2 bar sensor supported within the AEM EMS? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">funny my drag kit came with a turbonetics turbo, not a "master power"... I've never heard of master power either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Glad I'm not the only one. Guess I'll have to research and call around to see exactly which turbo is included.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree with everyone saying you can piece a setup together cheaper, but when I bought my kit I wanted the ease of pre-made piping to minimize downtime. Plus it came out only about $400 more for the kit than it would have been to get all the same exact parts brand new, and for that extra $400 I got pre-made piping and was able to install the whole thing in one day. </TD></TR></TABLE>

THAT sir, is what I'm looking for! So you purchased a DRAG kit and have just upgraded bit and pieces as you go?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AFAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THAT sir, is what I'm looking for! So you purchased a DRAG kit and have just upgraded bit and pieces as you go?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes - I bought the drag kit, but when I bought it I had an option to spend a little more $$ and get a tial 38mm wastegate instead of the deltagate wastegate, as well as a missing link instead of the check valves (for FMU usage only), and a couple of other little upgrades I can't remember off hand.

I'm still using all of the kit components except for the FMU/inline pump/missing link setup. Now I'm running the AEM EMS, 750cc injectors, and a 3 bar GM map sensor.

Of course I also bought WBO2, EGT, oil pressure & boost gauges on top of that.

A new turbo may be next, as my NEWLY REBUILT turbo is leaking oil on the compressor side of the turbo and it's getting into my motor. The turbo will be going back to the rebuild shop shortly I think...

 

Where did you grab your GM map sensor from and for what vehicle? For my intentions, would the 550cc injectors work?

I already have Autometer C2 EGT, Oil pressure, boost/vac, voltage, and will be replacing the A/F meter with AEM's Wideband with the EMS.

Is this the same turbonetics turbo that came with your drag kit that's giving you trouble?

 

I got the map sensor when I bought my AEM setup, but I'm pretty sure it's the MAP for a turbo trans am. search the FI forum for GM 3BAR and you'll find some places to get it. other people like the motorola 2.5 BAR sensor which is also cheap, like $20 or so.

yes it's the same turbo, but remember it's been through 3 blown motors and a few years of torture. It should be perfect right now because it was JUST rebuilt, but something isn't right... story of my life with this car.

 

dam thats a lot...