Hey everyone,

the 92 EX is all ready giving me crap

on 287 i was going home to south jersey, im around 3k rpms, going about 70mph and the acclerator jiggled and so did the RPM gauge, then the pedal would not respond and i coasted to a stop. i was in the center lane and eveyone had to go around me, almost got hit by a few big rigs. So it starts up again and is fine, i thought it was cuz i was low on gas maybe?

On the way back to school a couple days later, the same thing happens about 300 ft after a toll booth, i pull to the side and it will not start up again. i got towed.

What do you guys think happened? it made the spinning whine noise when you held the key in the start posistion but just wouldnt turn over.

I think it might be the fuel pump, but i got no clue

i just bougth the car and im thoroughly pissed, any insight would be great

 

fuel pump?

 

you must troubleshoot your fuel, ignition, electrical system (even if they are good). but do you know how to do that?
if you don't talk to a pro. or take it to a shop

I wish, if we can troubleshoot each others cars over TCP/IP

 

the shop just called,

apparently my timing belt snapped and bitch slapped my engine. He said at the least im looking at a new head. The guy is looking around for a refurbished, what you guys think the price will be for the part?

he said there could be more in the inside of the engine, personally id like to go bitch at the dealer, but it says As Is on the invoice so i guess im screwed.

New Car?

 

ouch...

So what, the first time the timing belt slipped or something and the second time it snapped?

Is the mechanic trusted? If not, get a second opinion. How could he tell you need a new head? Did he remove it from the block? Replace the timing belt and compression test it?

Or you could get it back and replace the timing belt, then do a compression test and see what the results are. Most likely some valves are bent but I'd hate to see you pay for something that doesn't need to be done. If the compression test shows signs of bent valve and that, then find a head and replace it yourself. The price of you doing all the work is going to be cheaper than paying him to, unless you don't have time and have no choice but to have him do the work.

 

you are looking at $900 and up typically at most shops.

 

I have never replaced a head after a broken t-belt. Usually toy just need to replace and re-seat valves.

 

well he said my frist and second cylinder failed adn that they came up? The place is Pep Boys, i'll have to get a more detailed description later, its prob a list of problems...

lol all i wanted was power equip, what did i get myself into

 

how many miles on it? when was the last time the belt was changed if ever?

 

its got about 122k on it right now, i dont know if anything was changed on it.

 

oh damn, that belt was due at 90K at the latest

 

I really feel for you man!, do you have money to fix it, if I have lots of money I will give you ( I am not kidding ) because I know what kind of feelings you get when things failed like that

simple advice: don't spend **** load of money yet, get a socket set and some other tools call few buddies, remove the head and see what has happened.

In my area shops are waiting for disaster like this one

 

so you think i should look at it myself? like the shop might be putting in some extra stuff?

if theres more on the inside, this could be a good opp to do a H22 swap

just gotta get that dam climate and pwr lock sweitches working

 

yes, because if shop remove your head, then later you may not want to fix it, but they will still charge you for removing the thing.

if I've you I will remove the head and find a digi-cam, then post some pictures, so Honda-tech pros (like p adam, TouringAccord, Chiovnidca, Beach Accord and many others) can have a look at it, and tell you what to do.

don't worry about the electronics and AC problem right now, get the engine rolling.


Modified by ujhonda at 8:17 PM 4/11/2006

 

im up at school, i dont realy have the area to take it apart, plus i dont know about towing it back to my school to take it apart, but i will be having a long word with the mechanic, why would i need a new head if my timing belt snapped? could it be that the belt kept spinning and just ripped everything apart?

 

When the timing belt breaks, the valves that were down (at the time) stay down. Then when the piston comes up, it hits the valves. Can screw up valves, seals, head, and pistons. Possibly more. You did say you were going about 70 mph. At that engine speed, you can screw up a lot of stuff. The timing belt should have been the first thing you checked out, when you bought the car. How long were you going to wait? Like the old saying goes pay a little now (maintenance) or pay more later (repairs). Maybe you'll figure it out on the next car. Sorry about the hard lesson though.

 

i had the car about a week,

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i was accelerating out of a toll booth, prob going about 40-50 at least.

 

I figure it's going to cost a good bit to fix this problem. $1000 at least, if you can't do the work yourself. And that's with minimal damage. It will have to be taken apart to find out. figure out how much the car is worth to you. Because you will have to make a decision soon. First thing to do is get an estimate on damage and cost to fix. Is the car worth it? Only you can answer that one. Good luck

 

not much really, theres this civic with all the maint done for about 3k, i really want my 91 back, i acknolwdged im cursed to not have power equipment and i accept it. but if i do get it all fixed, id have a good running ride for a while.

 

me personally, I would have someone else look at it that is trusted to not be throwing extra stuff in there or like ujhonda said, get a socket set and a couple buddies and pull the head off and see for yourself. Like BLKFLSH said, you could have messed up a lot but it's not known until you look for yourself or just take the mechanics word for it. I would get the car back and look for myself. Post up things on here if you can't tell or have trouble with something. There a some very helpful people in the Accord forum.

You mentioned something about the possibility of a H22 swap. If that was in your plans and you have the money, then go for it. That'll solve your engine problem. Just make sure you do the maintenance when you swap so you know it's been done and won't give you a headache like this down the road.

You should also decide if the car is worth it. Which it sounds like it is because you are saying you want the power options and seem like you were already thinking about a H22 swap so replacing the motor may have already been in your plans.

Get the motor running and then worry about the AC and power locks. At the very least if you do decide to do the work yourself, it'll be a great learning experience.

 

the guy called me today..

he said he could send the head out to be fixed, which i agreed to over a new head (3K) cuz i just want it running so i can go from there. He said two of the cylinders came up and crushed the spark plug (the part that sparks was no more). He told me if he takes off the head and theres more damage to the inside he'll let me know cuz then its not worth it. He suggeested i go over to see what he's talking about, if i can get a ride ima go today.

Apparently the kid who put the body kit on before me must have been a fan of racing...
If i can get this running i might just get rid of it and save the swap for my DX goes, i dont know what to do

Where can i find an H22 that tells the true miles of it, or a new one?

 

two cyclinders came up and crushed the spark plug?

Can that even happen? Maybe the piston pushed a valve into the spark plug or something but how could the piston actually hit the spark plug?

I would look at it if you can. If there is the kind of damage he's saying, it should be visible. Did he say how much it's going to be to have the head fixed?

I've heard good things about H-Motors Online for used JDM and USDM motors. Never bought from them personally though.

 

Seen this before on an '88 integra. First what happened is some teeth were chewed out of the timing belt, it would have probably been ok but when you started it back up and kept driving is when the real damage probably occured. The reasong it started back up is because you still had something for your timing gears to grab a hold of, but by driving the car the belt just became even more weakened. Since you were driving when it snapped you most likely have bent valves, however if you drive an automatic you might have gotten lucky. Checking the head yourself is a good idea.

 

i will put cah on bent exhaust valves at the very least.

 

he said itd be about 1600 for the whole thing including timing belt and the head
it is an automatic actually, theres this engine on Ebay for like 400 that would replace the stock one, but the cost of a swap might not be worth it if this one is getting a fixed head nad timing belt,

i learned the hard way, once ethis car is up and running i just might sell it