I have an H22 Teg. I have run Yoko 205/40/17 AVS ES100's for about 30-35k with a few burnouts, and a great deal of hard driving in the corners, not to mention just the daily miles. Anyways, I have loved these tires, they are good in the rain, very solid when it's dry, they lasted quite awhile, and they are pretty cheap. (note: I had Kumho Ecta Supra 711's previously and they were garbage. WEAK sidewall and traction was terrible.) The thing is that many people bad mouth ES100's as being either not very sticky, having a weak sidewall, or having too short of a tread life. So my question is...

What 205/40/17 performance summer tire would be better for a daily driven car that sees very spirited (sorry, couldn't think of a more descriptive word) driving and that would last around 30K+ miles? The key here is also to keep in mind the price, ES100's are $85.00 each on Tire Rack. The tire could even see some weekend Auto-X events in the near future and I don't want to change my tires.

Thank you very much for your input.

-Conlan

 

Well, the obvious question is, why not just get another set of ES100? Anyone badmouthing them probably has never used them. Fact is, as you mention, they offer very good grip, great in rain, and they last a long time. So the question then becomes, why would you want to consider anything else?

Here are a few other options to consider in 205/40-17, and how they compare with the ES100:

Kumho Ecsta SPT - is very similar in performance to the ES100, even slightly better on wet pavement, treadwear rating is better (340 vs 280). In some sizes they are about the same price, but in 205/40-17, the SPT is much cheaper ($63 vs $85). Similar or slightly better in most respects, significantly better in price.

Kumho Ecsta MX - Kumho's top-of-the-line tire, performance is even better on dry pavement than the SPT, not quite as good wet though, and treadwear is pretty rapid (only 220). At $84, about the same price as the ES100. A good choice if you want better dry traction and decent value and you don't care about the other downsides.

Goodyear F1 GS-D3 - The Goodyear tire that won the Car and Driver test, great all-around tire - great dry traction, great wet traction, last a long time. In this size, VERY expensive though ($155). A good choice if you care about all-around performance and not at all about price.

I'd mention the Azenis, but their treadwear is lousy, and it sounds like that's important to you.

The ES100 is still a very good choice. But I'd take the SPT over them in this size, with their big price advantage.

 

Well considering I wasn't born allknowing, I only have a limited amount of experience with tires. Hence my reasoning for asking on here. And I think only retards and old people are the only ones that have an excuse for following the "if it isn't broke don't fix it" mentality when technology is advancing the way it is. So basically, the answer to your "obvious" question is... Since I am not a retard nor old, I am always looking for something new and better.

BTW, I am looking for something in the "Ultra-High Performance" category. Any more suggestions?

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Only other one worth mentioning is the Toyo T1-R, a small step up in performance from the SPT and ES100. But if you're willing to pay more for a better tire, you'd be better off spending $155/tire for the Goodyear F1 GS-D3.

All the other tires that are significantly better than the SPT and ES100 cost about as much as the Goodyear or more. With the exception of the Azenis, with which you won't get anywhere near 30K miles (you might not even get half that).

 

Thanks for the help man.

 

I'll post additional comments in that other topic you opened in the Road Racing forum. (Which makes things confusing.)

 

Comments posted. Someone there mentioned a smokin' deal on the Bridgestone RE750 in this particular size. It's a very good tire, but in most sizes, it's usually a whole lot more money than the SPT or ES100. Your size is a big exception, which makes them a great choice in this case.

 

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You are an asset to h-t Good advice, thorough, and helpful

 

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You are definately right. There is an obvious reason that I ask many more specific questions here on H-T.