17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X???
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17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X???
I figured that I would get better answers from you guys then the wheel/tire forum. Thanks in advance for an advice.
I have an H22 Teg. I have run Yoko 205/40/17 AVS ES100's for about 30-35k with a few burnouts, and a great deal of hard driving in the corners, not to mention just the daily miles. Anyways, I have loved these tires, they are good in the rain, very solid when it's dry, they lasted quite awhile, and they are pretty cheap. (note: I had Kumho Ecta Supra 711's previously and they were garbage. WEAK sidewall and traction was terrible.) Keep in mind I live in Seattle/Olympia and it rains alot, plus there is alot of standing water on the roads. The thing is that many people bad mouth ES100's as being either not very sticky, having a weak sidewall, or having too short of a tread life. So my question is...
What 205/40/17 performance summer tire do YOU think would be better for a daily driven car that sees very spirited (sorry, couldn't think of a more descriptive word) driving and that would last around 30K+ miles? The key here is also to keep in mind the price, ES100's are $85.00 each on Tire Rack. The tire could even see some weekend Auto-X events in the near future and I can't afford two sets tires.
Thank you very much for your input.
-Conlan
I have an H22 Teg. I have run Yoko 205/40/17 AVS ES100's for about 30-35k with a few burnouts, and a great deal of hard driving in the corners, not to mention just the daily miles. Anyways, I have loved these tires, they are good in the rain, very solid when it's dry, they lasted quite awhile, and they are pretty cheap. (note: I had Kumho Ecta Supra 711's previously and they were garbage. WEAK sidewall and traction was terrible.) Keep in mind I live in Seattle/Olympia and it rains alot, plus there is alot of standing water on the roads. The thing is that many people bad mouth ES100's as being either not very sticky, having a weak sidewall, or having too short of a tread life. So my question is...
What 205/40/17 performance summer tire do YOU think would be better for a daily driven car that sees very spirited (sorry, couldn't think of a more descriptive word) driving and that would last around 30K+ miles? The key here is also to keep in mind the price, ES100's are $85.00 each on Tire Rack. The tire could even see some weekend Auto-X events in the near future and I can't afford two sets tires.
Thank you very much for your input.
-Conlan
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (CRX Toad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Toad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Falken Azenis RT-615. Save the "spirited" driving for the for the track. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I will try to keep that in mind.
Any more suggestions?
I will try to keep that in mind.
Any more suggestions?
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (CRX Toad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Toad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Falken Azenis RT-615. Save the "spirited" driving for the for the track. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Except he won't get more than 10k "spirited" miles out of them, or 15k nice daily driver miles. That said, I love my RT-615s.
Except he won't get more than 10k "spirited" miles out of them, or 15k nice daily driver miles. That said, I love my RT-615s.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (TunerN00b)
Alright. Let's refrain from saying "spirited" any more, it's starting to get on my nerves. 
I know that word was going to come back to haunt me.
I know that word was going to come back to haunt me.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (slim9300)
I liked the fk-451 grb's from falken. they've got a little bit of a higher tread wear than the rt-615's but still have pretty decent grip for track use.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (freakin_eLRoD)
What do you guys think is the ideal rubber softness rating (sorry don't know the technical name) for my setup. I think that the ES100's are rated at 280.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (slim9300)
Bridgestone Potenza RE750
These tires are on SUPER SALE in the size you want. These are the ones you need:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...RE750
Your welcome.
These tires are on SUPER SALE in the size you want. These are the ones you need:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...RE750
Your welcome.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (slim9300)
kumho ecxta mx, not sure of price in your size, they will last for awile , just keep the burnouts to a minimum.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (clemsonhatch)
I see you have double-posted your question, here as well as in the wheel and tire forum. Many of us frequent both forums and I think you'll get good advice in either place.
Here's what I posted so far in the wheel and tire forum:
Now, to continue the discussion...
That is the treadwear rating, which may or may not have anything to do with the amount of grip of the tire. And even as a treadwear rating, it's often unreliable. I wouldn't put too much faith in it; ask around and you'll get better estimates like the ones already posted in this topic.
Clemsonhatch raises another possibility:
The performance of the RE750 is very similar to the SPT and ES100, but is usually a whole lot more money, which is why I normally don't recommend them. However, in your particular size, they are on sale for $63/tire PLUS Bridgestone currently has a rebate offer for $50 back on a set of four, good through May 6. That means you can get those tires for $50.50/tire after the rebate. That's a smokin' deal for a very good tire. Go for it!
Here's what I posted so far in the wheel and tire forum:
Originally Posted by nsxtasy
Well, the obvious question is, why not just get another set of ES100? Anyone badmouthing them probably has never used them. Fact is, as you mention, they offer very good grip, great in rain, and they last a long time. So the question then becomes, why would you want to consider anything else?
Here are a few other options to consider in 205/40-17, and how they compare with the ES100:
Kumho Ecsta SPT - is very similar in performance to the ES100, even slightly better on wet pavement, treadwear rating is better (340 vs 280). In some sizes they are about the same price, but in 205/40-17, the SPT is much cheaper ($63 vs $85). Similar or slightly better in most respects, significantly better in price.
Kumho Ecsta MX - Kumho's top-of-the-line tire, performance is even better on dry pavement than the SPT, not quite as good wet though, and treadwear is pretty rapid (only 220). At $84, about the same price as the ES100. A good choice if you want better dry traction and decent value and you don't care about the other downsides.
Goodyear F1 GS-D3 - The Goodyear tire that won the Car and Driver test, great all-around tire - great dry traction, great wet traction, last a long time. In this size, VERY expensive though ($155). A good choice if you care about all-around performance and not at all about price.
I'd mention the Azenis, but their treadwear is lousy, and it sounds like that's important to you.
The ES100 is still a very good choice. But I'd take the SPT over them in this size, with their big price advantage.
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Only other one worth mentioning is the Toyo T1-R, a small step up in performance from the SPT and ES100. But if you're willing to pay more for a better tire, you'd be better off spending $155/tire for the Goodyear F1 GS-D3.
All the other tires that are significantly better than the SPT and ES100 cost about as much as the Goodyear or more. With the exception of the Azenis, with which you won't get anywhere near 30K miles (you might not even get half that).
Here are a few other options to consider in 205/40-17, and how they compare with the ES100:
Kumho Ecsta SPT - is very similar in performance to the ES100, even slightly better on wet pavement, treadwear rating is better (340 vs 280). In some sizes they are about the same price, but in 205/40-17, the SPT is much cheaper ($63 vs $85). Similar or slightly better in most respects, significantly better in price.
Kumho Ecsta MX - Kumho's top-of-the-line tire, performance is even better on dry pavement than the SPT, not quite as good wet though, and treadwear is pretty rapid (only 220). At $84, about the same price as the ES100. A good choice if you want better dry traction and decent value and you don't care about the other downsides.
Goodyear F1 GS-D3 - The Goodyear tire that won the Car and Driver test, great all-around tire - great dry traction, great wet traction, last a long time. In this size, VERY expensive though ($155). A good choice if you care about all-around performance and not at all about price.
I'd mention the Azenis, but their treadwear is lousy, and it sounds like that's important to you.
The ES100 is still a very good choice. But I'd take the SPT over them in this size, with their big price advantage.
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Only other one worth mentioning is the Toyo T1-R, a small step up in performance from the SPT and ES100. But if you're willing to pay more for a better tire, you'd be better off spending $155/tire for the Goodyear F1 GS-D3.
All the other tires that are significantly better than the SPT and ES100 cost about as much as the Goodyear or more. With the exception of the Azenis, with which you won't get anywhere near 30K miles (you might not even get half that).
Originally Posted by slim9300
What do you guys think is the ideal rubber softness rating (sorry don't know the technical name) for my setup. I think that the ES100's are rated at 280.
Clemsonhatch raises another possibility:
Originally Posted by clemsonhatch
Bridgestone Potenza RE750
These tires are on SUPER SALE in the size you want. These are the ones you need:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...RE750
These tires are on SUPER SALE in the size you want. These are the ones you need:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...RE750
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (nsxtasy)
The only worry I have is the milage life for the RE750. What does it last, roughly? Some guys said 20k on the reviews and they didn't race them. That seems kinda low. Is it an accurate estimate?
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (slim9300)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slim9300 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The only worry I have is the milage life for the RE750. What does it last, roughly? Some guys said 20k on the reviews and they didn't race them. That seems kinda low. Is it an accurate estimate?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I haven't used them on my own cars, but I suspect that they will last about as long as the ES100 or SPT. Mileage varies, of course, depending on the car and how it's driven. I've heard people tell me that the ES100 is only good for 25K, but I've got 28K on mine (on the GS-R) and they have enough tread left that they'll probably reach 40K.
FWIW, the treadwear rating on the RE750 is 340, same as the SPT, vs 280 for the ES100.
I haven't used them on my own cars, but I suspect that they will last about as long as the ES100 or SPT. Mileage varies, of course, depending on the car and how it's driven. I've heard people tell me that the ES100 is only good for 25K, but I've got 28K on mine (on the GS-R) and they have enough tread left that they'll probably reach 40K.
FWIW, the treadwear rating on the RE750 is 340, same as the SPT, vs 280 for the ES100.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (slim9300)
I switched to Goodyear's Eagle F1 GSD3 and won't be going back to any Yokohama tire.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (Jasper_db1)
Does anyone have any experience with the RE750's? Possibly able to compare their experience with the ES100's also? I know it's a long shot. Thanks.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (slim9300)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slim9300 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone have any experience with the RE750's? Possibly able to compare their experience with the ES100's also?</TD></TR></TABLE>
They are very similar in performance, as you can see from these side-by-side comparison tests, which all include both tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...2.jsp
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...0.jsp
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...n.jsp
They are very similar in performance, as you can see from these side-by-side comparison tests, which all include both tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...2.jsp
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...0.jsp
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...n.jsp
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (clemsonhatch)
Miles driven on tires: 29,300
Miles driven on tires: 37,544
Miles driven on tires: 33,724
Miles driven on tires: 30,000
Miles driven on tires: 40,000
Read the reviews:
http://www.tirerack.com/survey...RE750
These tires are over 50% off regular price. No harm in getting a decent tire CHEAP!
Miles driven on tires: 37,544
Miles driven on tires: 33,724
Miles driven on tires: 30,000
Miles driven on tires: 40,000
Read the reviews:
http://www.tirerack.com/survey...RE750
These tires are over 50% off regular price. No harm in getting a decent tire CHEAP!
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (clemsonhatch)
Yes. I read them a few days ago. I was actually looking for some feedback from someone with the 205/40/17 on a car that weights close to a GSR or Civic. There isn't any worthwhile ones that I can find, and since there is a huge difference between the sidewall performance of a 15-16'' tire versus a 17'' I just wanted more specific feedback.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (nsxtasy)
It's wierd how the tires perform slightly better on one test and slightly worse then the other on another on basically the same car (es100 versus re750). I guess the price is pushing me towards the RE750's since they are basically the same performance wise. I am going to call Tire Rack tomorrow to close the deal. lol. Thanks for all the help, especially nsxtasy.
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Re: 17'' Tire Recommendation for Very Spirited Daily Driving and Possible Auto-X??? (slim9300)
A friend runs 205/45/16's RE750's on a 99 JRSC GS-R Civic. He just bought a set of 17x7.5 TE-37's and when he went to buy some tires he found the RE750's on sale. He really likes these tires. I've driven his car a few times and it felt great. I had a set of the RE730's back in the day and I liked them.
Personally I run cheap/crappy street tires and spend all my $$$ on race rubber
Personally I run cheap/crappy street tires and spend all my $$$ on race rubber
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