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Please, for the sake of your own sanity before you consider spending that much money on a new engine (assuming you have an EP3 already) that will give you some gains....look at forced induction. The JRSC and especially a mild turbo kit will give you just as good if not better gains and will cost thousands less. Plus it will be less labor intensive.
It might impress your friends with the JDM, but it won't put the grin on your face that raw torque will from FI. I'm speaking from experience
It might impress your friends with the JDM, but it won't put the grin on your face that raw torque will from FI. I'm speaking from experience
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Re: (Westrock2000)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Westrock2000 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Please, for the sake of your own sanity before you consider spending that much money on a new engine (assuming you have an EP3 already) that will give you some gains....look at forced induction. The JRSC and especially a mild turbo kit will give you just as good if not better gains and will cost thousands less. Plus it will be less labor intensive.
It might impress your friends with the JDM, but it won't put the grin on your face that raw torque will from FI. I'm speaking from experience</TD></TR></TABLE>
Amen brother, preach the powerful dark side of FI.
I have considered how I want to make more power in my ep3 for some time. During that time I have driven almost all the Honda's I could, turbo, SC, super high revving NA and for me the best setup for a DD will be the SC. Considering all the kinds of driving a DD will encounter, nothing works out as well as a SC'ed a3 engine.
The torque from the SC is really nice in everyday traffic, some of those Honda engines just dont make any power until they really get up there in the rpm band, which is cool for racing, but in traffic doesnt work out very well. The other thing nice about going with JRSC is running k-pro and racing the max rpm's.
I cant drop the coin now, but I really thing the JRSC-R with k-pro would work really well with a 6 speed tranny. There would be all the torque down low and good high revving fun at the other end. Plus fairly easy to install and easy to revert to stock form. Not to mention you could get the supercharger, tranny, lsd, i/h/e all for less that than a k20a.
Just my .02 cents.
It might impress your friends with the JDM, but it won't put the grin on your face that raw torque will from FI. I'm speaking from experience
</TD></TR></TABLE>Amen brother, preach the powerful dark side of FI.
I have considered how I want to make more power in my ep3 for some time. During that time I have driven almost all the Honda's I could, turbo, SC, super high revving NA and for me the best setup for a DD will be the SC. Considering all the kinds of driving a DD will encounter, nothing works out as well as a SC'ed a3 engine.
The torque from the SC is really nice in everyday traffic, some of those Honda engines just dont make any power until they really get up there in the rpm band, which is cool for racing, but in traffic doesnt work out very well. The other thing nice about going with JRSC is running k-pro and racing the max rpm's.
I cant drop the coin now, but I really thing the JRSC-R with k-pro would work really well with a 6 speed tranny. There would be all the torque down low and good high revving fun at the other end. Plus fairly easy to install and easy to revert to stock form. Not to mention you could get the supercharger, tranny, lsd, i/h/e all for less that than a k20a.
Just my .02 cents.
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Out of curiosity, doesn't the JRSC-R kit come with a Hondata reflash? Is it really worth the the extra cash for K-pro, given that JR has probably put more time and energy in a useful and (more or less) economical fuel map then I ever could by spending $500+ on tuning?
As far as I know, the Hondata reflash that comes with the JRSC-R kit bumps the rev limiter and includes a fuel map specific to the kit... seems like a bit of wasted resource to me.
As far as I know, the Hondata reflash that comes with the JRSC-R kit bumps the rev limiter and includes a fuel map specific to the kit... seems like a bit of wasted resource to me.
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Re: (GTScott)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GTScott »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Out of curiosity, doesn't the JRSC-R kit come with a Hondata reflash? Is it really worth the the extra cash for K-pro, given that JR has probably put more time and energy in a useful and (more or less) economical fuel map then I ever could by spending $500+ on tuning?
As far as I know, the Hondata reflash that comes with the JRSC-R kit bumps the rev limiter and includes a fuel map specific to the kit... seems like a bit of wasted resource to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The nice thing about k-pro is you can change things when you add them or take them away, ie you can make adjustments for i/h/e, etc.
As far as I know, the Hondata reflash that comes with the JRSC-R kit bumps the rev limiter and includes a fuel map specific to the kit... seems like a bit of wasted resource to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The nice thing about k-pro is you can change things when you add them or take them away, ie you can make adjustments for i/h/e, etc.
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i think the JRSC-R comes with your choice of either a reflash or kpro set-up depending on what you want! If I had the money I would go with the type r swap only because the all-motor craving inside of me wants to! The JRSC-S will have to do for now! 
I think it's harder to get the JDM Civic Type R K20a rather than the JDM Integra Type R K20a, but hey, get what u want!
I think it's harder to get the JDM Civic Type R K20a rather than the JDM Integra Type R K20a, but hey, get what u want!
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Re: EP3 engine (spoon_racer)
i got ITB for a ep3 engine thats y i want to get that engine. my hommie had ITB on his EP3 and blow it and now is geting a ITR K20 so he gave me the ITB for 3bills otherwise i would get the ITR K20 but in stead im geting the EP3 engine.
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Re: (GTScott)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GTScott »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
As far as I know, the Hondata reflash that comes with the JRSC-R kit bumps the rev limiter and includes a fuel map specific to the kit... seems like a bit of wasted resource to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well if you plan on using just the kit by itself, then your right the extra money spent may be hard to justify. However if you plan on adding several bolt-ons, perhaps an even smaller pulley (!) bigger injectors or maybe something else like nitrous, then the K-Pro allows you to fine tune to your exact setup. The great part about K-pro is that there are plenty of Hondata dealers/turners all over the country.
It would also allow to bump the rev limiter even higher should you ever get some new camshafts, a new head or just feel saucy
As far as I know, the Hondata reflash that comes with the JRSC-R kit bumps the rev limiter and includes a fuel map specific to the kit... seems like a bit of wasted resource to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well if you plan on using just the kit by itself, then your right the extra money spent may be hard to justify. However if you plan on adding several bolt-ons, perhaps an even smaller pulley (!) bigger injectors or maybe something else like nitrous, then the K-Pro allows you to fine tune to your exact setup. The great part about K-pro is that there are plenty of Hondata dealers/turners all over the country.
It would also allow to bump the rev limiter even higher should you ever get some new camshafts, a new head or just feel saucy
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Re: EP3 engine (spoon_racer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoon_racer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got ITB for a ep3 engine thats y i want to get that engine. my hommie had ITB on his EP3 and blow it and now is geting a ITR K20 so he gave me the ITB for 3bills otherwise i would get the ITR K20 but in stead im geting the EP3 engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its your money, car, and happiness in the end that trully matters to yourself. I'm just telling you in my life I learned that spending alot of money for maybe 20-30 HP really didn't satisfy me. Forced induction is just the way to go when your start with an already efficient engine. Some engines are pretty pent up from the factory so they have plenty of hidden power in them, but Honda motors are just so ***** out to begin with that you have to spend alot of money just to eek a little bit out of them all-motor.
If it were me I would sell the individual throttle bodies to someone else and invest in a turbo or supercharger. The $100 bucks you might loose on the ITB will more than make up for the happiness factor and money saved down the road...besides you know deep down in your heart that a would rather have an intercooler peeking out from the bumper than some loud air horns on your head
Its your money, car, and happiness in the end that trully matters to yourself. I'm just telling you in my life I learned that spending alot of money for maybe 20-30 HP really didn't satisfy me. Forced induction is just the way to go when your start with an already efficient engine. Some engines are pretty pent up from the factory so they have plenty of hidden power in them, but Honda motors are just so ***** out to begin with that you have to spend alot of money just to eek a little bit out of them all-motor.
If it were me I would sell the individual throttle bodies to someone else and invest in a turbo or supercharger. The $100 bucks you might loose on the ITB will more than make up for the happiness factor and money saved down the road...besides you know deep down in your heart that a would rather have an intercooler peeking out from the bumper than some loud air horns on your head
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get k20a2...
jrsc-r is useless IMHO u cant get more than 240whp..
plus from what ive read k20a2+i/h/e+kpro is faster than k20a3+jrsc-r+i/h/e+kpro
when u swap u can always sell ur engine =$$$
jrsc-r is useless IMHO u cant get more than 240whp..
plus from what ive read k20a2+i/h/e+kpro is faster than k20a3+jrsc-r+i/h/e+kpro
when u swap u can always sell ur engine =$$$
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Andrey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get k20a2...
jrsc-r is useless IMHO u cant get more than 240whp..
plus from what ive read k20a2+i/h/e+kpro is faster than k20a3+jrsc-r+i/h/e+kpro
when u swap u can always sell ur engine =$$$</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think those two engine setups would be pretty equal as far a total whp. However, the a3 with JRSC-R and other goodies would make lots more torque at a more useable rpm. For a DD this is what most of us would want, not to mention with K-pro you can raise the revs on the a3. The best of both worlds in my eyes.
jrsc-r is useless IMHO u cant get more than 240whp..
plus from what ive read k20a2+i/h/e+kpro is faster than k20a3+jrsc-r+i/h/e+kpro
when u swap u can always sell ur engine =$$$</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think those two engine setups would be pretty equal as far a total whp. However, the a3 with JRSC-R and other goodies would make lots more torque at a more useable rpm. For a DD this is what most of us would want, not to mention with K-pro you can raise the revs on the a3. The best of both worlds in my eyes.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Andrey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but with swap u have 6 speed and higher redline
like someone said why do we need tq we dont get any traction anyways haha
its all goodies i guess</TD></TR></TABLE>
Heh, if you can get a limited slip in there you will be OK. With the money saved getting a JRSC you could buy a 6-speed with LSD. Trust me I have 225 series tires with an LSD and over 250 ft-lbs of torque....I don't peel out too much. Then again I don't drag race my car either.
Besides, downshifting is overrated
Just research as much as possible, and have fun
like someone said why do we need tq we dont get any traction anyways haha
its all goodies i guess</TD></TR></TABLE>
Heh, if you can get a limited slip in there you will be OK. With the money saved getting a JRSC you could buy a 6-speed with LSD. Trust me I have 225 series tires with an LSD and over 250 ft-lbs of torque....I don't peel out too much. Then again I don't drag race my car either.
Besides, downshifting is overrated
Just research as much as possible, and have fun
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Re: (Westrock2000)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Westrock2000 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Heh, if you can get a limited slip in there you will be OK. With the money saved getting a JRSC you could buy a 6-speed with LSD. Trust me I have 225 series tires with an LSD and over 250 ft-lbs of torque....I don't peel out too much. Then again I don't drag race my car either.
Besides, downshifting is overrated
Just research as much as possible, and have fun </TD></TR></TABLE>
That is exactly what I want to do, JRSC-R and a six speed tranny swap with lsd. Low end torque and fairly high revs with k-pro.
Heh, if you can get a limited slip in there you will be OK. With the money saved getting a JRSC you could buy a 6-speed with LSD. Trust me I have 225 series tires with an LSD and over 250 ft-lbs of torque....I don't peel out too much. Then again I don't drag race my car either.
Besides, downshifting is overrated
Just research as much as possible, and have fun
</TD></TR></TABLE>That is exactly what I want to do, JRSC-R and a six speed tranny swap with lsd. Low end torque and fairly high revs with k-pro.
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