I have a b16sir2 in my 92cx hb. i have intake and exaust with no cat. i am going the all motor route and i was wondering wut header to get. 4:2:1 or 4:1? 1 piece or 2 piece? powder coat,ceramic or steel? perferd brands? i have researched lots but i would just like to here from some N/A people who have been down this road. thanks for any info

 

the general consensus is that 4-1 headers are better. if you decide to stick with the b16 get a toda header, best header for the b16 imo

 

u can get a header equal or better in performance for much less than the toda. though a nice header, very expensive. the rmf narrow seems to be the hands down winner when it comes to production headers, 700$ for coated mild steel. there are many good headers out now, just how much do u want to spend. probly would be best to give ur price range, and make recomondations from there.

 

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Thats funny cuz I have seen dyno's of the RMF making less than others. Get off the bandwagon guy. Not saying that Randy doesn't know what he's doing or anything, he's a very good builder, but there is no such thing as "best."

And to the creator, you can't go off simply a "4-2-1 vs. 4-1" theory. On any motor, and any dyno, the Toda WILL beat a DC 4-1. Sure you're paying more $$ for it, but it just goes to show that you can't base your decision off of what you posted. The old saying "You get what you pay for" applies here.....are you serious about making horsepower?

 

i honestly dont think it makes a whole lot of difference. smsp uses a 421 while others are 41 . all make great power given their setups.

 

there is no right answer to this thread.....


and now i officially hate all threads regarding headers...

 

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and now i officially hate all threads regarding headers...</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL come on Bell....Its about time.Your lagging. Your way behind the rest of us.

 

[QUOTE=clean rice]

Thats funny cuz I have seen dyno's of the RMF making less than others. Get off the bandwagon guy. Not saying that Randy doesn't know what he's doing or anything, he's a very good builder, but there is no such thing as "best."

clean rice u clearly did not read my post. never did i say it was the best, and i mentioned that there are many other good headers avalible and that it would be best to give us a price range and goals so we could make better recomondations.

yes smsp, hytec, rmf and all of the other high caliber header companies make exellent headers that make great power, but not every one has the buget for one.

why dont u relax, before u have a heart attack

 

Of the header comparisons I've seen the tri-y design seems to beat both 4-1 and 4-2-1. As far as 1 or 2 piece, a 1 piece weighs less, you have 1 less gasket to worry about and there is no gain difference going 1 or 2 piece. I currently have a DC 4-1 stainless w/ 2.5" collector (I got it real cheap...that's the only reason I'm running a DC)

 

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no, ive hated them for a long time im just saying it now in public...

 

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clean rice u clearly did not read my post. never did i say it was the best</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Explain to me how I misinterpreted your post.

 

I have a Rage header on my ITR and it has brought my 1/4 mile time dowmn from a 14.9 to a present 14.1..... I love my header

 

Oh hell just go to ebay and buy the cheapest pos header u can find...SS autochrome is a good choice...

 

4-1 ftw

 

<U>seems</U>. what does that word mean to u clean rice. i think u have lost ur mind. u must have egnored everything else i said. thats funny because u seem to be on rockets bandwagon pretty hard from what i have read lately. i guess u are one of those people who get off on flaming others . whatever makes u happy. im not going to argue with u over a stupid *** header, it was my recomondation/opinion. people like u make h-t a suckier place.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mx621 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><U> S eems</U>. W hat does that word mean to you clean rice? I think you have lost your mind. You must have i gnored everything else I said. T hats funny because you seem to be on rocket' s bandwagon pretty hard from what I have read lately. I guess you are one of those people who get off on flaming others . W hatever makes you happy , I' m not going to argue with you over a stupid *** header, it was my recomondation/opinion. P eople like u make h-t a suckier place.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you seriously expect myself, or for that matter anyone else, to not presume that you are saying that one certain header is THE BEST? Come on guy, look at the way you type, and "suckier?" **** I think the last time I heard that was out of a 6 year old's mouth. You can say that "I'm on the Rocket bandwagon," thats fine..it doesn't bother me at all. But if you'd pull your head out and look around, you will actually see me recommend SEVERAL different kinds of cams to other people. I recommend cams based off: motor setup, driving style, and budget. You will never see me recommend M22x cams for a stock B16, or M25e's on a high compression 1.8. I don't come on H-T to argue with people, but when newbies come on here and start spoutin off pretending like they know everything and providing false information, THATS where I personally get pissed off. Not saying that I know allot, but I do come on here allot and spend time reading and learning from many many people on this site, too many to list but they know who they are. Just because you see a few dyno graphs doesn't make you an expert. Done.