i have a 2001 s2k and pads and rotors for a 2000 itr will they fit (01 s2k) with out any problems thanks for any info

 

1. It's BRAKES.
2. Why The hell would you want to put them on? S2K Brakes are already better.

 

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NO.

 

BUT TEH ITR BRAKES ARE LEET!

 

believe it or not, ITR brake pads are larger than the s2k pads.

 

i dont even get why you'd ask a question like that...


seriously, i wanna know...why?

 

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2. Why The hell would you want to put them on? S2K Brakes are already better.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The last drive I have in an S2k proved otherwise. Although the ITR has aftermarket discs and greenstuff pads. The feel and initial bite even when cold on the ITR was far better.

&lt;Un-impressed with stock S2 brakes.

 

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The last drive I have in an S2k proved otherwise. Although the ITR has aftermarket discs and greenstuff pads. The feel and initial bite even when cold on the ITR was far better.

&lt;Un-impressed with stock S2 brakes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

My ITR (stock) definately did brake better than my S. I think it had more to do with the overall balance and weight of the car, though--not the brakes themselves.

 

I don't see why they wouldn't fit. The Mugen brake kit for ITR's use the S2k calipers. However, the rotors are the activegate Mugen rotors. Try it!!!

I'm sure the pads will work fine, however, the offeset of the hat from the rotor may be different on the ITR vs. the S2K. In fact, I'm 90% sure they are different enough that you won't be able to use the rotors.

Now as for perfomance enhancement, you didn't ask, so I won't comment.

 

the only reason i ask is becasue i have an extra set of rotors and pads from my itr and my opinion and not the reason i am asking the itr breaks feel better then the s2k but just my opinion

 

by the way they are aftermarket
axxis pads and entric rotors

 

what i have been putting together is perhaps a upgrade!!!
NSX calipers up front!!!
Dual piston

i still need to brak emy brakes down to see if it will work out with the offsets adn back spacing etc

 

The guys that are saying that the ITR brakes are better, have any of you tracked both? I have my opinion as I have tracked both but I am busy watching F1 qualifying so I will post again later

 

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LOL

 

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Do I have to track both to have an opinion then? Obviously :rollseyes:

 

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The last drive I have in an S2k proved otherwise. Although the ITR has aftermarket discs and greenstuff pads. The feel and initial bite even when cold on the ITR was far better.

&lt;Un-impressed with stock S2 brakes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You can't compare pedal feel and initial bite in two cars when one of them has stock pads and the other has aftermarket pads. Compare both brake setups in stock trim and you'll have a proper comparison.


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My ITR (stock) definately did brake better than my S. I think it had more to do with the overall balance and weight of the car, though--not the brakes themselves.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I would say you've got it backwards. The overall balance of the s2000 supersedes the weight distribution in the ITR. You're right about weight, the ITR is lighter, but where the weight is distributed in a car plays an equally important roll in braking efficiency.

I still think a stock s2000 can brake deeper into a corner when compared to a stock ITR, with both cars running 100% stock brakes. Factor in fade and I'll still place my bet on the s2000 braking system resisting fade longer than an ITR, despite the very different driving styles required to drive both cars at the limit.

My comment about brake pad size should reveal that the s2000 doesn't need a brake pad surface area as large as the ITR due to better weight distribution.

 

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You can't compare pedal feel and initial bite in two cars when one of them has stock pads and the other has aftermarket pads. Compare both brake setups in stock trim and you'll have a proper comparison.
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When my stock Honda brakes were new they were good, now they are better. The stock s2k's brakes dont feel that special in comparison to what I have now and after driving other cars in general. I think the term is like for like comparison not proper, any comparison is proper if it is comparing things that do the same job.

It seems any mention of ITR's sends S2k owners mental, I have news for you they are both Honda's and both have four wheels owners need to get over it

 

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It seems any mention of ITR's sends S2k owners mental, I have news for you they are both Honda's and both have four wheels owners need to get over it </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree

 

damn Vapor just makes every one of his posts sound so professional...

 

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I think the term is like for like comparison not proper, any comparison is proper if it is comparing things that do the same job.
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Here's one for your oversimplification of the same job. So the orange is much better than the apple, it's sweeter and only comes in the orange color. Both are fruit, therefore they accomplish the same job of filling my stomach up.

I would consider someone "mental" that compares "better brakes" by neglecting the variable of aftermarket brake pads versus stock pads (even though EBC makes shitty brake pads). The obvious: pad compound plays a significant role in "initial bite", pedal feel, braking efficiency, and fade resistance.

And yes, running ITR calipers/rotors on the s2000 would be a downgrade in braking efficiency, pedal feel, and overall braking performance.

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Here's one for your oversimplification of the same job. So the orange is much better than the apple, it's sweeter and only comes in the orange color. Both are fruit, therefore they accomplish the same job of filling my stomach up.
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Neither fruit is currently recommended in the Honda service manual for use as a braking compound.

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I would consider someone "mental" that compares "better brakes" by neglecting the variable of aftermarket brake pads versus stock pads (even though EBC makes shitty brake pads). The obvious: pad compound plays a significant role in "initial bite", pedal feel, braking efficiency, and fade resistance.
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If you have an issue with EBC that's your perogative. EBC green and reds are used alot in the UK and people like them. The greens take little time to warm up and work very well. Porters maybe good but they are $$$. However this is partly mute as in Europe we are not all fatasses therefore the performance envelope is different.

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And yes, running ITR calipers/rotors on the s2000 would be a downgrade in braking efficiency, pedal feel, and overall braking performance.
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My ITR with the crapola EBC pads and rotors (oh the shame) is better in feel and performance than a stock 05 S2K. Braking e-fish-in-sea, methinks you have been at the pipe, how did you measure this, *** dyno? Anything you need to tell yourself is all good with me

 

Still comparing OEM parts to aftermarket. If you compared AP2 to AP1 pads, you would notice that it gave up overall feel for better initial bite. Try it.

 

AP1/AP2 vs ITR...the S2K wins in braking. Go look at any tests done from 70-0 or 100-0 or 100+ to 0, the S2K brakes better. Remember this is testing 100% stock cars. You cannot use any sort of aftermarket pieces (pads, etc..) when comparing these.

I have track experience in both as well. Even with equivalent pads (cobalt gt sports), the s2k braked better. The gradual feeling and ability to modulate the brakes is not somethig the ITR has. You only find that in the s2000. I was always able to brake a lil deeper with the s2000. I drove both on the same day, at the same track, on the same tires, so there aren't many other variables left that would vastly affect the braking distance. Thats my personal experience

 

man maybe im just being a hater but sometimes i dont know why people wanna spend money on a oem upgrade...bro for whatever reasson ur wantting better brakes, could be daily driven or road course, race strips...whatever the case maybe. Why dont you just save up the money to do like a bad *** brake job bigger rotors and calipers. Why ITR brakes. If you seriously are needing better brakes id suggest you get serious **** not a oem brake setup. If you notice whatever you may wanna call them "REAL RACERS" they dont ride on the Oem brakes they have bigger and better things. Im not trying to knock you but i think its a pointless upgrade unless your getting them for free. Good luck though. I love my OeM S2k brakes. they do me just fine!

 

A lot of people track on OEM brakes here at the tracks, even in Japan; what does that say? How about comparing replacement pads for OEM sets vs. a set for 6 piston calipers, considering you go through a set ever 2 track days? The little rattles... Resurfacing huge crossdrilled/slotted rotors? If you have the money for it, then fine, you should be hanging out with the guys everybody call "Professionals". It's not a Civic with CD sized discs/drum combo. Even for those, OEM upgrades would be a hell of a jump already.

Maybe you're right with that first sentence.