Hi fellas,

I drive a 96 spec jdm itr, and it came with the smaller brakes. Have since upgraded to the larger 98 spec brakes but kept the 4x114.3 hubs etc.

The brake pedal doesnt feel quite right, maybe cos the pedal has to travel somewhat before i get a really nice brake bite. Im thinking going to chance the brake master... thoughts and whats availabel would be great?

 

should add that the car is non abs, so i believe the MC is the smaller 15/16, im looking at the 1 inch one?

 

I have a ITR brakes, and I have a 15/16... its fine... Bleed the chit out of them, install stainless lines and some goot brake pads. This really belongs in the integra forum....

 

do u feel that the brakes respond only after the pedal is like 1/4-1/2 way down?

 

In between that...yea. its doesn't bother me, though...gives me room to "play" with the modulation in some way, I guess...

 

The guy drives a Type-R....

Where do you expect him to go?

If you still aren't happy with them after bleeding thoroughly, get the 1inch MC, the difference is marked especially if you are looking for the "instantaneous" response that many ITR owners have been spoiled with.

Perhaps another thing to consider is to upgrade the rears to 98spec as well. This can be achieved by using the rear rotors off an EP3 SiR + redrilling and 98spec rear calipers....but some will argue till their death that the fronts do the majority of the braking etc...etc...blah...if that's the case, then I guess Honda wouldn't have upgraded them to start for the ITR.

so it's another can of worms altogether.

 

Where's a good place to source a 1" MC? Are they available off of any other Honda/Acura that I may find in a parts yard?

If not, what's a good reputable Honda parts vender I should take my chances with (I think there's someone by the name of Len, right?)?

 

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I missed that part...sorry, Sensei....

 

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damn thos kid apologizes in JDM yo!

 

Raging angel thats what i mean the fast response of the brakes is what im after

the 1 inch mc however apaprently moves the hardline points abit, so im asking how is the best way to get this done?

Also is the 1 inch from 96+ integras with abs? or is only the type R BMC a 1 inch (98spec)?

 

I can't say for sure with other markets but with what I have seen and experienced in the Canadian market....The 98+ GS-Rs all came with 1inch master cylinders (I cannot confirm at the moment if the LS/GS models received this upgrade too).

However, to note, there appears to be some confusion as the 98+GS-Rs have a different reservoir but more importantly the fitting for one of the hardlines is of the wrong (larger) size.

It is my experience also that if you have the right tools, it isn't an issue - as you simply bend and/or cut AND/OR flair the hardline to accept the proper fitting for that particular master cylinder.

I do know for a fact in Canadian ITRs of all years, they will drop in with minimal fuss and will often only require bending of the hardlines. If it was my swap and for peace of mind, I would take the time and spend the premium to get an ITR MC.

Lastly, 1997 Type-Rs appear to be the 1st year the Integra line received the 1inch master cylinder....every year and model/trim before had the smaller unit.

 

i really think mods should get abit smarter on moving this thread. Most of the time they do a good job, but for the most part... stock itrs hvae this 1inch BMC so they wouldnt upgrade it... yet this thread gets moved here.. and i wonder why none of the racers who mght have done this mod havent gotten in to give some help.

Thanks for your help anyway rageingangel, so it seems like i can use the 1inch BMC as long as I have proper equipment to bend the hardlines to suit the 1inch BMC?

 

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The "special tools" we used for BENDING ONLY was our hands - but with a lot of patience....the key is to go slow.

For the GS-R BMC with the different fitting, we used a dremel and cut off wheel and a pipe flairing tool.

 

I say upgrade the rears also.

 

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However, to note, there appears to be some confusion as the 98+GS-Rs have a different reservoir but more importantly the fitting for one of the hardlines is of the wrong (larger) size.

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Hmm. I always thought RS/GS/LS had a 7/8th MC, GSRs 15/16 and only ITRs had the 1" .

I guess you learn something new everyday.

OT- Were 99-00 Si's 7/8 or 15/16? I always thought they were 7/8"...

 

thast the thing, theres a few misconceptions, in aus here, we are told that all abs units for dc2 are 1 inch.

seems very misleading that statement

 

ok, some FYI the booster for that 15/16 will not work with the 1" MC. you need the booster for that MC for it to work. the reason being, the 15/16 has a smaller booster with a longer though shaft. if you use it on a 1" mc you will lock the brakes up. you can however build a spacer to move the MC forward of the booster to allow it to work. this is ghetto, its effective but i view it as a stop-gap fix only!
if you want to run the 1" mc but don't feel like fighting with the double flaring tool i sugest you do this :
buy this fitting here
http://www.imperialinc.com/items.asp?item=0908810
your best bet is to take the Weatherhead part number = 7936
and have your local napa or good hardware supply house order one for you. cost me $6 total to have it overnighted to me.
you will need to take the tip of it and countersink it. its not hard just have to have to right bits for a drill press and something to bolt the fitting to so it won't move.
i used a flywheel bolt that i passed thought a hole in a metal plate. i then clamped the plate in a drill press and countersunk mine.
that allows you to use the stock 10x1.00 brake line fittings on the 12x1.00 port on the MC. the end product looks like this

sounds complicated but its actualy quite easy