Just curious if anyone is out there runnin a floor bar and if it has made any real performance difference in handling or anything. Heres a link if you wanna check it out, i was thinkin of getting it at the same time as my autopower roll bar.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW

 

from that picture the auto power roll bar will interfere with that one. there is a similiar bar under the rear seats.

 

i wouldnt mess with it. reading thru the guys feedback, people have bought the same bar for other applications and had fitment issues. he uses the same discription in all listings

 

I think your right it does look like its goin to interfere. Im still on the edge whether to just get a harness bar or a roll bar, so i guess whichever i find makes a bigger difference. Roll bar is SCCA legal though....

 

i have it in my car an my home boi to an is fine i luv it

 

If you are going to run the roll cage, why bother with this bar? The cage will stiffen up the cahssie more that the bar will. If you really want to stiffen things uo just get a full custom X braced cage.

 

For sure im lookin at getting the race/roll bar now and then getting the rest of the u-weld kit later when i actually need it. I just want my body as stiff as i can get it, dont want any body roll.

 

an autpower 4pt roll bar and ITR rear sway bar will justify the rigidness youre looking for. everything else wont do a whole lot for you and you might want to stay away from oversteer considering integra's are FF

 

You won't need this w/ a roll bar. not for street use anyway.

 

i dont see how that does anything for chassis stiffness...

 

Stiffens the floor of the car... Thats where you want the majority of the stiffness in a vehicle.

 

i don't think it's necessary.

 

the bar works like i said i have an i luv it everytime i turn an sh$%t yea get it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94IntegraLs04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have it in my car an my home boi to an is fine i luv it </TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94IntegraLs04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the bar works like i said i have an i luv it everytime i turn an sh$%t yea get it</TD></TR></TABLE>

WTF are you SAYING!

 

he's talking in EnGRisH... Give em a break...Probably needs to take an ESL class...

 

the only benefit that i see is if you get T- boned.

in which way does a horizontal bar increase rigidity in any way? this is just like a c-pillar bar..

maybe im missing something.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mmuller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only benefit that i see is if you get T- boned.

in which way does a horizontal bar increase rigidity in any way? this is just like a c-pillar bar..

maybe im missing something.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The point is that when turning, the body has the tendancy to flex. By adding braces like a c pillar bar or possibly this floor bar it will limit the body from flexing and allowing your car to handle better.

I have the pillar bar but i think i decided to not buy the floor bar and just wait for my roll bar. Thanks anyway guys.

 

lol
I understand the concept, what i dont get is how does it improve. Just my opinion..

 

WEll, thats not EXACTLy it...

Bracing the floor area is a method of keeping the floor from bowing in like this ( ^ )....or seperating out or twisting diaganally, if you see what I mean...Same thing goes for the trunk well/spare tire well...Rear strut braces are less effective then bracing the trunk well...

Ideally, you'd want to tie all the floor points together, that you could, to make the floor as rigid as possible.

 

Bowing? at what point in time does your chassis want to bow?
specially in the back? that's what the strong pillars in front of the rear shock towers are for.
Not that bowing is common unless in a T bone accident..anyways.
even then a little bar with TWO contact points is going to do anything....that back bone of teh car is pretty strong/er
for diagonal twisting, im sorry but picture it in your head and that bar does not help.


what i have been trying to get at is that you want to form triangles; triangles are your friend.
a straight bar connected with only 2 points its only going to provide stiffness in as you say when bending and when forces are applied horizontally to each end.

 

Makes sense, i could see how having some stiffness would help, but i think a roll bar with the diagonall cross brace would be more beneficial.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mmuller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bowing? at what point in time does your chassis want to bow?
specially in the back? that's what the strong pillars in front of the rear shock towers are for.
Not that bowing is common unless in a T bone accident..anyways.
even then a little bar with TWO contact points is going to do anything....that back bone of teh car is pretty strong/er
for diagonal twisting, im sorry but picture it in your head and that bar does not help.


what i have been trying to get at is that you want to form triangles; triangles are your friend.
a straight bar connected with only 2 points its only going to provide stiffness in as you say when bending and when forces are applied horizontally to each end.</TD></TR></TABLE>

dO SOMe research into chassis dynamics...its really too lenghty to comment on...But any flat surface will flex in/out especially if you have things like exhaust tunnels...

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As it should...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Circuit Star-29 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dO SOMe research into chassis dynamics...its really too lenghty to comment on...But any flat surface will flex in/out especially if you have things like exhaust tunnels...
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Ok dude, obviously you seem to think that im talking out of my ***, im just going to give up into explaining something you dont seem to understand or maybe want to understand.
You keep bringing up minor and very basic explanations to the matter..
of freaking course the floor wants to flex... but that bar will do nothing for the kind of flexing the floor wants to do....SPECIALLY where the bar bolts on to..
have you looked at the layout of an integra chassis lately?
Its just your opinion against mine

ill see you at race wars. haha


Modified by mmuller at 1:21 AM 3/23/2006

 

Unfortunetly for you, you are speaking from either hear-say or YOUR opinion. I am going for a Vehicle Design major from Western Washington University through the Vehicle Research Institute. I own an Integra and have done many research/projects into THIS chassis.

I have done more research on uni-body chassis dynamics then you, but Im assuming when I say this. Further more, I would never assume that you would be talking "out of your ***." Thats impossible...your breathe would smell like ****.

 

honda tech needs to start selling "chill pills"