I recently bought a f22b dohc on ebay.I was having second thoughts when i heard that the f22b starts acting up after 250hp,Can some one plaese give me some information on what i shoild do.My f22b engine gets put in in a week y

 

What do you mean acting up after 250hp? The f22b is an excellent turbo motor. If you are going to stay na the h22 would be a better choice.

 

I heard from one of them forms on here that after going past the 250 barrier you have prpblems with the ring lands.Thanks for your reply you the first person to ever reply back,thanks!!What does n/a mean?,can u hip me to the game on all the abrevations?

 

well, you need to search alot more!

The dohc f22b can hold over 300whp, stock block.

If you had gone with an h, that would have been a huge problem. The h sleeves suck ***, and cant hold any psi compared to what the f22 can.

n/a= naturally aspirated.

anyways, why are you worried about it not being able to handle more than 250? so you plan to boost? if so, I recommend you dont, atleast not at this stage you're at. the dohc f22b is almost identical to the h23, with less compression, better sleeves, and around 5tq less.


once again, search!

 

so basically it's an F22a block and an H23a head, correct? that would mean that the intake manifold is an h-series like this (pic taken from another forum):

1)Also, I heard that the F22b DOHC doesn't have a knock sensor, is this true?
2)Which ECU would you have to run if you install the F22b DOHC? I know it's the P39, but I can't find one. Would a P14 work?

 

yes, f22b has iab setup on intake manifold, i am unsure of a knock sensor but i highly doubt it...theres not really any need for a knocksensor on an f-series motor... for an ecu, any h23 ecu will work...

 

f22b doesnt not have the knock sensor.

i would take my chances on making 250whp on a bone stock f22b rather than a bonestock h22.

h23 better sleeves? how?

 

Check ebay sometimes they have a p39 available. On cb7tuner.com theres a person selling p39's. I think her name is im_the_girl or something like that. BTW the F22B is a good motor i rode in my friends NA with basic bolt ons plus my friends boosted f22b and it pulls pretty hard...impressed me since i got an H.

 

I've been contemplating for awhile now on which engine to put in my car since the F22B1 that my car came with hasn't been running right. I was thinking about the F22B Dohc, but this thread has helped me decide that's what I want to do. Specially since I plan on boosting eventually. Thanks Everyone!

 

Thanks all of you guys for posting.What other upgrades can i put on the f2b?Can someone send me a link with alot of f22b information.Is this site free?POST POST POST POST POST POST.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by momstaxi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, f22b has iab setup on intake manifold, i am unsure of a knock sensor but i highly doubt it...theres not really any need for a knocksensor on an f-series motor... for an ecu, any h23 ecu will work...</TD></TR></TABLE>why dont you need a knock sensor on an f-series motor? are you sure than an h23 ecu will work, since the h23 engine has a knock sensor. won't it throw a trouble code or something? what i'd like to do is get a p28 with uberdata or chrome (perfer) and get a basemap on it to run the f22b dohc. i think that'd work ...

 

you would need a chipped non vtec ecu like the p06.

p14 ecu will work but it will throw the knock sensor code. p39 ecu is what should come with the motor though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raceACCORDingly &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you would need a chipped non vtec ecu like the p06.

p14 ecu will work but it will throw the knock sensor code. p39 ecu is what should come with the motor though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what do you mean by a chipped non vtec ecu like the p06? you mean chipped with uberdata / chrome, correct?

does anyone know where the knock sensor is located? is it in the block or the head? is there any way to add one to the f22b dohc? why is it not needed like momstaxi stated. Wouldn't you want a knock sensor if you're going to boost a motor?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raceACCORDingly &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">f22b doesnt not have the knock sensor.

i would take my chances on making 250whp on a bone stock f22b rather than a bonestock h22.

h23 better sleeves? how?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I meant the f22 has better sleeves, less tq, and less compression.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95AccordVtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what do you mean by a chipped non vtec ecu like the p06? you mean chipped with uberdata / chrome, correct?

does anyone know where the knock sensor is located? is it in the block or the head? is there any way to add one to the f22b dohc? why is it not needed like momstaxi stated. Wouldn't you want a knock sensor if you're going to boost a motor?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes a socketed p06 ecu with a map suitable to run the f22b whether it be w/ hondata, uberdata, crome, neptune...

KS is on the back of the block around the oil pressure senser/oil filter area if i remember correctly on H series. you cant just drill the block and add one. honda didnt design KS to be used w/ forged pistons or boost anyhow. every tuner ive talked to disables the KS in hondata/uber. im kinda glad f22's dont have one, one less thing the hassle with.


heres a quote about KS from a reputable tuner
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jeff Evans &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have always disabled the knock sensor in hondata. The knock feedback from the OEM knock sensor board is worthless in terms of showing knock count. Honda calibrated the knock sensor with to much sensivity, and its nearly impossible to determine knock from background noise in modified engine. Unfortunately no one has figured out how to de-calibrate the knock sensor to be less sensitive with the OEM knock board.

For an example, i have gotten knock feedback showing that an engine i was tuning was knocking partial throttle all over the place. When shutting the engine down immediately, pulling the plugs there wasnt a sign at all of any knock occuring. The engine was using forged pistons with a looser piston-to-wall clearance, and it was picking up the background noise. Other ems systems like AEM, Power FC all have knock feedback control that is editable by the end user to detect what is knock and what is noise.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95AccordVtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
what do you mean by a chipped non vtec ecu like the p06? you mean chipped with uberdata / chrome, correct?

does anyone know where the knock sensor is located? is it in the block or the head? is there any way to add one to the f22b dohc? why is it not needed like momstaxi stated. Wouldn't you want a knock sensor if you're going to boost a motor?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, the knock sensor is located on the rear of equiped blocks. if you had to add one you could, like stated earlier, drill and tap the block for one or even mount it anywhere..ex. ls/vtec setups sometimes drill the alternator bracket and mount it there. why didnt honda use one (ks)on f22 motors? well they have low compression and factory ecus dont run real aggresive ignition advances so there is no need for one...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raceACCORDingly &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes a socketed p06 ecu with a map suitable to run the f22b whether it be w/ hondata, uberdata, crome, neptune...</TD></TR></TABLE>does it have to be a p06 ecu, or can it be another ecu? also does anyone know the code of a manual transmission p06 ecu? is it 37820-P06-A02? does anyone know where I could get a basemap suitable for running an f22b? i plan on running crome or neptune. i want to stay away from hondata and uberdata if possible, just because i heard that crome or neptune are better.

 

As long as the code on the side of the ECU has P06 on it your good. You can run uber/crome/neptune you just need basemaps. You can find some basemaps on uberdata website but i dunno if it will be compatible with the other programs.

 

You can use the p14 ecu, but it will run a little rich, and you have to thread a knock sensor. "i'm_the_girl" sells p39s. Mine was $105 shipped. It seems like a lot of money, but it's not much more than the cost of a p14+knock sensor. If you are going to boost, you might as well chip an ecu now, to save money later. Uberdata is great. If you are going to tune it yourself, you will need a wideband. If you need anymore specifics, let me know.

Edit: It's a h23 head on a f22 block. Buy head parts/upgrades for a h23, and block parts/upgrades for a f22ax. Use a timing belt for a 97 Integra type R.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95AccordVtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does it have to be a p06 ecu, or can it be another ecu? also does anyone know the code of a manual transmission p06 ecu? is it 37820-P06-A02? does anyone know where I could get a basemap suitable for running an f22b? i plan on running crome or neptune. i want to stay away from hondata and uberdata if possible, just because i heard that crome or neptune are better.</TD></TR></TABLE>

crome better than hondata? heh thats really all personal preference. you should go with whatever your tuner is most comfortable with. crome was one point a freeware as well (still is if you use crome free version) until john cui the creator came out with crome pro for $125 w/ its added features.

i am running uberdata, although it doesnt have very much support or updates its FREE, you cant expect much from freeware! i have read of 400-500whp setups on here that are running with uberdata, the software is more than capable, all these programs are just ROM editors some have more features and support than others.

i have a base map for a boosted f22b1 for uberdata.


edit: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1556118
heres a 600whp setup on uberdata, like i said its more than capable.


Modified by raceACCORDingly at 9:03 AM 3/12/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NAiL05 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As long as the code on the side of the ECU has P06 on it your good. You can run uber/crome/neptune you just need basemaps. You can find some basemaps on uberdata website but i dunno if it will be compatible with the other programs.</TD></TR></TABLE>it doesnt matter if it is a manual or automatic ecu? that's why I asked about the other stuff besides the p06

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d112crzy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, you need to search alot more!

The dohc f22b can hold over 300whp, stock block.

If you had gone with an h, that would have been a huge problem. The h sleeves suck ***, and cant hold any psi compared to what the f22 can.

n/a= naturally aspirated.

anyways, why are you worried about it not being able to handle more than 250? so you plan to boost? if so, I recommend you dont, atleast not at this stage you're at. the dohc f22b is almost identical to the h23, with less compression, better sleeves, and around 5tq less.
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F22 rules!!!

 

again reguarding the p06. for the basemap, couldnt I just put an H23 one on there and disable the knock sensor, would that work?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95AccordVtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">again reguarding the p06. for the basemap, couldnt I just put an H23 one on there and disable the knock sensor, would that work?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The h23 has higher compression, so it would run a little rich. It will work though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by d112crzy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, you need to search alot more!

The dohc f22b can hold over 300whp, stock block.

If you had gone with an h, that would have been a huge problem. The h sleeves suck ***, and cant hold any psi compared to what the f22 can.

n/a= naturally aspirated.

anyways, why are you worried about it not being able to handle more than 250? so you plan to boost? if so, I recommend you dont, atleast not at this stage you're at. the dohc f22b is almost identical to the h23, with less compression, better sleeves, and around 5tq less.


once again, SEARCH! </TD></TR></TABLE>

That is great advice, but you should try and use it yourself. I agree that the sleeves aren't as strong as the F22s but you can not make those comments. This is a stock block/head H22 with nothing but Type S cams.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1171997