After much debate, I've decided to spend some cash on dishing out some performance on my 1996 Accord EX AUTOMATIC. I recently hydrolocked and swapped in a 60000 mile F22B1 VTEC motor and mated it to the original 130000+ auto tranny from before. What I want to know is will the 130000+ tranny handle power output in the 220-225 HP range ? If not, will a transmission swap or rebuild eminent ? Which transmission will be suitable for the power output ? And if I find a F22B1 tranny with less miliage and abuse such as how I found my motor in, will that be a good choice ? If I rebuild the current tranny, will that be able to handle the power output ?

PLANS OF MODIFICATIONS TO F22B1
(PERFORMANCEACCORD.COM)
COMPLETE HEAD PACKAGE ($1500.00)
- High Compression Cylinder Head (Port & Polished)
- Ported Intake Manifolds
- Performance Camshaft
- Big Bore Throttle Body
*If any Accord tuner have done this type of mod, let me know how it went, did the vehicle become unrelaible after and did you see a MAJOR increase in power because these set-up claims to produce 40-45 wheel horsepower.

BOLT-ONE POWER PARTS
(AJUSA.COM)
- DC SPORT 4-2-1 2 Piece Header
- AEM Cold Air Intake V2

That about what the most Iam willing to do to my F22B1. What do you guys think of that set-up ?

 

your gonna want to swap in a manual tranny. also, you might want a better flowing header

 

You don't think the DC SPORT 4-2-1 two piece header can do the job ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fw190bvi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your gonna want to swap in a manual tranny. also, you might want a better flowing header</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Duy504 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- DC SPORT 4-2-1 2 Piece Header </TD></TR></TABLE>

owned.

I agree on the manual tranny part. The auto transmissions on accords, 4th, 5th, and 6th generation, are very fragile. Too much power and you're going to break it.

as for the increased 45hp, I sort of doubt it without a new fuel map, etc.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Duy504 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PLANS OF MODIFICATIONS TO F22B1
(PERFORMANCEACCORD.COM)
COMPLETE HEAD PACKAGE ($1500.00)
- High Compression Cylinder Head (Port & Polished)
- Ported Intake Manifolds
- Performance Camshaft
- Big Bore Throttle Body
*If any Accord tuner have done this type of mod, let me know how it went, did the vehicle become unrelaible after and did you see a MAJOR increase in power because these set-up claims to produce 40-45 wheel horsepower. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like you've just described a Gude head package. If so, you may want to look into that some more because I haven't heard to many good things about them in the past, unless things have changed.

an alternative...
You can send you throttle body and plenum to maxbore, Kteller has a camshaft for the F22B1 and you could have the intake manifold done by extrude hone. As for the head work, you would have to find a shop you can trust to port & polish it.

 

Yes they are the GUDE PACKAGE. What things have you heard about them ?

 

uh, I can't remember exactly right now so I'm not going to say something that may not be true. I can't right now, but later I'll try and search for the threads that I saw discussing their products.

You can try searching as well, just use the search feature and input "Gude head package" for the search criteria and search all forums both recent and archived threads.

 

Alright, it seems the GUDE HEAD PACKAGE have really bad reviews. I even read that it performs below the stock set-up ! I've I've decided to change up my plans and buy parts individually from reputable companies. Iam not really familiar and confident with internals as Iam with the basic bolt-ons ( EXHAUST, INTAKE, HEADERS ETC) For example, if I through a aftermarket camshaft into the block, what can I expect ? What are the benefits if any ? Previous plans are dumped and now I will start really small. Will a F22B1 manual tranny mate with the F22b1 motor that has been mated to a automatic tranny ? What will I need for the manual tranny conversion ? Once this manual tranny conversion is sorted out, plans are to jsut add the DC SPORT HEADERS and AEM CAI V2. I've also decided I'd get more bang with forced induction but I would rather stay N/A but with so many cars drivving around with 200+ ponies, it's hard to keep it N/A.

ANY SUGGESTIONS ?

 

why not save yourself the headache and get an h22 swap for 2000 bucks, and make 190-200hp stock?

 

turbo your car..if you want more power look into pulleys and boring out your throttle body and manifold. take a look at custom valves springs and retainers. ferrea valves and arias pistons. other than that theres plenty of sites for parts for n/a engines. oh and weight reduction would help too. never get regrinds from stock camshafts they will snap in half guaranteed

 

I would, but I like the F series ALOT ! Iam also not a big fan of swapping engines from another car (H22). It would be like driving a four door PRELUDE ! But I understand where you're coming from though. And are you sure it's that CHEAP !? From what I heard, it's preetty expensive. It's probably why I have'nt got serious abotu a H22 swap. If ou could lsit everything need for a H22 swap and break it down for me, it could be a route Iam will to take. Iam tired of getting wasted by Civic Hatches and Stangs !

 

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that header gives about a 2% increase over a stock F22b1 header. the b1 header is significantly better than the b2. the thing is that the DC sports header is just a glorified b1 header....

if you want an upgrade, you need something with a collector thats the same size as your piping will be (then you'll need a wider cat)

 

prelude blocks cant hold boost unless sleeved, and you will get much more respect if you have a powerfull f series engine

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Duy504 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would, but I like the F series ALOT ! Iam also not a big fan of swapping engines from another car (H22). It would be like driving a four door PRELUDE ! But I understand where you're coming from though. And are you sure it's that CHEAP !? From what I heard, it's preetty expensive. It's probably why I have'nt got serious abotu a H22 swap. If ou could lsit everything need for a H22 swap and break it down for me, it could be a route Iam will to take. Iam tired of getting wasted by Civic Hatches and Stangs !</TD></TR></TABLE>

all you really need to do is pick up a complete h22a motor/tranny/ecu setup. then you can swap it into your accord. but the only problem i see is that your automatic and your obd2, so you would obviously need to spend the extra money on converting your shell to manual, and getting a jumper harness to run the obd1 ecu.

not trying to shoot down your f22 idea, because if what you really want is a mean f22 motor, then don't let me discourage you from doing it. but if your just looking for more power, an h22 might be a more economical choice.

making tons of power out of an f22 w/o turbo will be quite expensive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mattf22b1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">never get regrinds from stock camshafts they will snap in half guaranteed </TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? And you know this how? Not trying to be a dick, but thats a pretty bold statement to make without any proof. There are plenty of people running Delta regrinds (for the F22A motors) and I don't think I've read about any of them snapping, but I may be wrong.

Find me an aftermarket camshaft for the F22B1 that is ground from a blank and that isn't a regrind. I plan to buy the Kteller/Rm camshaft which is a regrind.

 

It's about that price for the motor depending on where you go. At HMO they have the complete H22A change over package for $2199 plus shipping and handling.

But since you'll need the OBD conversion harness, 5 spd swap parts and any other misc parts like timing belt and water, your probably going to be looking at about $3000 or so to do the complete swap. Thats just a guess so don't quote me on that, I never bought or swapped an H22 into an Accord, just going off what I've read. Here is a thread on AccordinglyDone that covers the installation of the H22A motor and here is a thread from AccordinglyDone that covers the auto-to-manual tranny conversion.

Hope that helps you.

 

i had a regrind from accordperformance.com and gude did the regrind on my stock camshaft...by car never idled normally again and then on the high-way from shifting from 4th to 5th the camshaft snapped..and i almost got rear ended by a pick up lol not fun though..that's why i wouldn't recommend regrinds.

 

that's the problem there isn't a blank camshaft for the 5th gen accord unless you get it custom made(just like everything else) i haven't heard about kteller until it was mentioned in this thread, they look like a much better company than gude/accordperformance.com

 

well, you had a bad experience with a company that I haven't heard anything good about, which is unfortunate. But thats not to say all regrinds are bad.

 

regrinds are great. I can't speak from personal experience, but I know someone, in real life, not through the web that has one in their accord. They like it, its been running strong for over a year.

anyways, as far as head work goes, you should look into dh-racing.com. I've heard some great things from them, as well as others like http://jgenginedynamics.com/JGE%20main%20page.html

I know that is uber hard to find a vtec regrind, but if you want to lose that vtec, you can go ahead and get a regrind from deltacam.com the 272 regrind, which is the most popular accord regrind goes for around 125 shipped. You just have to send in a core of course.

besides those head and cam companies, you are on your own now to find some high compression pistons. I know for a fact that there are some companies that make them, but I dont know their names. if you head over to cb7tuner.com and look up hondafan81, look for his white project. He got some custom pistons made for him.

 

to go to the Delta 272 regrind, people with the F22B1 would have to go get an F22A head just to run that cam. The way you worded it made it seem like you can just use a different cam.

HondaFan81's pistons were custom made by DH-Racing. He's also on AccordinglyDone, his project threads can also be found there. He's a member here as well but he doesn't post very much.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to go to the Delta 272 regrind, people with the F22B1 would have to go get an F22A head just to run that cam. The way you worded it made it seem like you can just use a different cam.

HondaFan81's pistons were custom made by DH-Racing. He's also on AccordinglyDone, his project threads can also be found there. He's a member here as well but he doesn't post very much.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmm really? I didnt know that. I figured that if you just used an f22b2 head, you would be able to use the 272.

 

I know I saw that somewhere, but for the life of me I can't seem to find it now. I'm not 100% sure since I don't have a non-vtec head and haven't really looked into it. But maybe someone who does know for sure can say if you can or not.

 

looks like you may be right.

There is a thread, that can be found here, where the OP is saying he's planning on putting a 272 regrind in a F22B2 head.

 

F*** the H22 swap and just go turbo with the F22 with a manual 5sp!!!