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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 11:57 AM
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I just purchased a set of JDM GM 16's for the R. I finally narrowed it down to two sets of tires. The Potenza RE750, and the falkin azenis 615. I like the azenis the best, but they only make them in 205/40. The width I'm not really worried about because the R is lowered a little and I don't want it to rub, so the 205 is fine. I am worried though if the 40 is a little bit too small of a sidewall.

I guess what I am trying to get it is mainly 3 things 1.) Does anyone ahve any pics of a 205/40 on the same size rim? 2.)If not, does anyone know if it is just a little too small? and 3.) Is the azenis a good choice over the re750's.

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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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Do not know much about the RE750.

The 215/45 RE010's that come from the factory on the 16's work excellent as a street tire.

If you want to keep the OE size, the Hankook Ventus RS2 is a great street/auto-x tire, excellent dry grip, OK wet, only tradeoff is wear.

The RT615 should come in 215/45, double check, because the old 215's did.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 12:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92TypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The RT615 should come in 215/45, double check, because the old 215's did.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, they do. However my car is lowered about 1.25 inches so I would like to go with a 205 just to make sure there is no rubbing.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR0065 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However my car is lowered about 1.25 inches so I would like to go with a 205 just to make sure there is no rubbing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You will not rub w/215.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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I'd recommend against getting the 615's as your street tires. They wear too quick and not too water friendly. I did have them on my track rims, and they were great in auto-x.

My street tires were RE750's. I actually liked them alot. Good tread life, pretty stiff sidewalls, and good grip. I had them in 15's, so mine were 205's. Like 92TypeR said, 215's should fit, no problem.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR0065 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Potenza RE750, and the falkin azenis 615.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those are two VERY different tires, and the choice between them depends on what you're looking for. (I would also suggest some alternatives to the RE750, but more about that in a moment.) The Falken RT-615 is a supersticky tire, designed to give maximum dry grip. The RE750 is a "budget performance tire", designed to give pretty good performance at an inexpensive price.

The RT-615 is a great tire if all you care about is dry traction. Their downside is that they wear quickly (9-12K miles of treadlife is typical on an ITR, although some people get more than that and others get less). The budget performance tires don't have anywhere near as much grip, but they're inexpensive and they typically last a long time (25-40K miles). Want maximum grip above all else? Get the RT-615. Care how frequently you have to replace them? Get a budget performance tire.

If you want the RT-615, get 215/45-16. They won't rub, even with the 1.25-inch drop. The tire dealers (like Vulcan Tire and Discount Tire Direct) might not be aware that this size is available, but it is (as recently reported on this forum). They may need to check with their Falken rep to verify this.

If you want a 205/45-16 budget performance tire, the RE750 isn't bad, but it's overpriced, IMHO. In that size, it's $122/tire. You can get tires whose performance is just as good as the RE750, but whose price is a LOT lower - namely, the Kumho Ecsta SPT ($74) or the Yokohama ES100 ($82). There is absolutely no reason to spend so much more money for the same level of performance.

If you want even better performance than the SPT/ES100/RE750, but without the rapid tire wear of the RT-615, and you don't mind paying the same price range as the RE750, then you really ought to get the Goodyear F1 GS-D3, which is $131/tire. It offers outstanding performance on dry pavement and in rain, and it will last a long time. The F1 GS-D3 is the tire that won the comparison test of eleven top-of-the-line tires in last December's Car and Driver. It's really a great tire - not just IMHO, but in the HO of everyone I know who has bought these.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 01:28 PM
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You could always look into some Advan Neova AD07 205/45/16 too

....better have some deep pockets though
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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I went through 2 sets of RE750s and now have the S-03s and I must say I'll never go back...
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon D &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You could always look into some Advan Neova AD07 205/45/16 too

....better have some deep pockets though </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's because that size is not available from Yokohama distributors in North America, so you won't find it at the Tire Rack or your local Yoko dealer. Anyone selling them has to get them direct from a distributor overseas. But then you get "JDM tires" bragging rights.

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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andyt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went through 2 sets of RE750s and now have the S-03s and I must say I'll never go back...
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The F1 GS-D3 is almost identical in performance to the S-03, but less expensive. Which ain't a bad combination.

However, the F1 GS-D3 isn't available in a 15" size for the ITR, but the S-03 is (205/50).
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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215-40-16s
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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if importing tires how about the re-01r.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 02:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by machgo5go &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">215-40-16s</TD></TR></TABLE>

That size is too small (outer diameter almost 3 percent smaller than stock). There are plenty of tires available in 205/45-16 and 215/45-16, both of which have outer diameter within 1 percent of stock.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by db8sirg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if importing tires how about the re-01r.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There's no reason to pay a lot more money for specially-imported tires when there are plenty of excellent tires already available in our market.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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no reason too. i just threw it out since the ad07 was mentioned.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

But then you get "JDM tires" bragging rights.

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&lt;--- will have braggin rights Not that it really matters, im more siked about getting some bad-*** tires
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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The AD07's are worth the extra effort to get IMO
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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The Goodyears are looking more attractive the more I read about them. However, I really wonder how they would handle on an Integra with aggressive suspension and alignment settings? Ken, or anybody else have first hand experience with these?
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 06:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Comp97GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Goodyears are looking more attractive the more I read about them. However, I really wonder how they would handle on an Integra with aggressive suspension and alignment settings? Ken, or anybody else have first hand experience with these?
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Take a look at the review someone gave it on tirerack.com They hate the tire. Kinda worries me a little about ordering them.
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 808dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The AD07's are worth the extra effort to get IMO </TD></TR></TABLE>

The Goodyears are better. So are the Falkens.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Comp97GSR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Goodyears are looking more attractive the more I read about them. However, I really wonder how they would handle on an Integra with aggressive suspension and alignment settings? Ken, or anybody else have first hand experience with these?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've driven them on other people's cars (not the ITR; they don't have suitable 15" sizes) and I know a bunch of people who have been buying them for their NSXs. They love them and I've been really impressed.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITR0065 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take a look at the review someone gave it on tirerack.com They hate the tire. Kinda worries me a little about ordering them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're referring to the comments from one reviewer? Look at the bigger picture. The Goodyears have better user survey results than any other tire in the Tire Rack's top performance categories for street tires (better than the S-03, better than the AD07, better than all of them).

If you ONLY care about dry traction, though, get the Falkens. If you care about anything else - value, treadlife, wet performance - then get the Goodyears. Except if you care about value much more than dry traction, then get the SPT (or ES100).
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:40 AM
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I just want to confirm what Ken said, that the Falken Azenis RT615 215-45-16 is now available and is being sent to dealers.

There is a supply problem, and many of the usual outlets (Vulcan Tire and Discount Tire) have not listed the size because they know they'll run out immediately.

If you ring them up, however, you might be able to get that size. As supplies improve this spring, the size will be listed on their sites. It should only be a couple of weeks until supplies improve.

If you're looking for the best handling hybrid compound for dry, warm weather high performance applications, I don't see how you can do better than the Azenis RT615. There are only a couple of compounds that compete with it, and all the tyre tests I've seen put them behind the 615.

I hate to sound like I'm selling them myself, but I just don't think there's anything better.
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 06:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you're looking for the best handling hybrid compound for dry, warm weather high performance applications, I don't see how you can do better than the Azenis RT615. There are only a couple of compounds that compete with it, and all the tyre tests I've seen put them behind the 615.

I hate to sound like I'm selling them myself, but I just don't think there's anything better. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree that they're the stickiest street tire on dry surfaces. However, that only means that they're the best tire for those who look for that, above all else. Granted, that includes many of us. If you're just looking for the stickiest tire around, it's an easy choice - get the RT-615. If your priorities include other things like purchase price, treadlife, and wet traction, there might be better choices around.

Understand, I'm not knocking the RT-615. I recommend them all the time to those looking only for dry performance. But not for everyone. Especially when they cost up to four times as much, on a cost-per-mile basis, as a really good budget performance tire like the Kumho SPT or Dunlop DZ101 (as noted here).
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 06:54 AM
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We're on the same wave length.
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 07:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by db8sirg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if importing tires how about the re-01r.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm happy with my 215/45/16 RE-01R's, but in the States I would go with RT-615's instead.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 808dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The AD07's are worth the extra effort to get IMO </TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you driven with these tyres on a racetrack?
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 09:56 AM
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Sorry to hijack your thread. For someone in a climate where the car only gets driven in the summer and even then only on weekends when it's dry. Would the 615 last a few years coming in and out of storage that is not heated. Or would they harden like my g-force kd?
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Have you driven with these tires on a racetrack?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Unfortunately no. As a good wet/dry traction street tire I'm happy with them.
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