I understand that they are designed for impacts 5mph and under. Has anyone ever gotten in a 5mph or less accident without one??

At speeds higher, do they help??

Im really just sick of seeing people battle it out everywhere else, lets come to some conclusions here.

ps. the weight savings by taking off the front and rear ones is about 35-40 (thx corey) lbs....


Modified by mgags7 at 10:23 AM 3/1/2006


Modified by mgags7 at 10:23 AM 3/1/2006

 

Honda put it there for a reason! is your life worth 65 lbs? also, good luck with the insurance company once they find out you took off crash safety devices like that!

 

i'd have to say that they are there for a reason. kind of like those who take out air bags... do you want to eat a steering wheel? at 5 mph and less, it makes it so nothing is done. at anything greater than that, i'm sure it has to absorb some of the impact, disperssing the impact around the frame, and not directly to the driver. am i wrong in that assumption?

 

I know for a fact the jdm 4th gen front bumper support is tiny compared to the usdm one, if weight is your enemy just go jspec bumper support yo

 

they actually do help a lot. they even help in 5+ mph collisions. they slow down the impact by creating a coushin. for example, the hard foam works to absorb some of the shock. in addition to this, the beams absorb even more shock and it protects the frame from damage. i don't know how to explain this but just know that the beams help. i was in an accident recently and the beam is what protected my radiator but it dented my AC condenser. i just know that without the bumper support beam, my radiator would have been crushed and frame would probably be bent.

 

I don't have any data one way or the other to prove or disprove their effectiveness. IIRC, the front weighs 25 pounds. That must mean the rear weighs 40 pounds. I personally would leave the rear intact and take off the front if you felt you had to remove it at all. I don't trust the driver behind me. Knock on wood... I trust myself not to rear end somebody.

 

Yep in japan there safety laws must be uh none. My clip=no abs- no srs-tiny bumper support= bad deal.

 

ok in another thread i told my story. ill sum it up here bro kitted his eclipse took off the support beams. he parked behind me i backed into his car shattered front bumper slightly damaged radiator support (dinged it back into place) and dent the front of the hood to hell. then i knew a buddy who had a maxima kitted he took his off and got ran into the back of someones car( brakes went out) at 50 shattered his kit bent his radiator and hood and engine bay was all bent up. strange enuf a girl in a civic in front of me about a month back her brakes went out down a hill ran into the car at around 40-45 her car was stock had the bumper support and the only damage to her civic was the front bumper was destroyed along with her headlights but the hood got no visible damage nor did her radiator.


those have been my experiances and i say LEAVE THEM ON THE CAR. some people take this "weight" issue and go to far with it.

 

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USA has to many regulations

 

Peeps change out their OEM hoods, for c/f ones... The Hood too is designed for crumpleing in a accident... But people dont think about that..

The beams are for 2 1/2 MPH bumps/pushes(hence the word BUMPER)... Now if you hit something going that fast without it, you will mess alot of things up( most likely the radiator.

Do any of you remember the early 80's with the huge crome bumpers with the big as$ rubber thingeeys on them? Those where 5 Mph bumpers( Auto companys had the fed's bring the standard down too 2 1/2 MPH bumpers mid-late 80's, so we "the consumers" could have a snappy looking front-end....

And I do beleave that the late 90's JDM Integra had a differant front end then the USDM version, because of the strick US standards.... Hell I think Japan uses just a peice of foam in their bumpers, instead of a 30 lb peice of metal...

Had mine off for the last 3 years... And so has my, many DSM pals, with their huge Front mount intercoolers(dont fit with it their)

As for the insurance company.. I bought it like that...

 

i took it off, why? cause honestly if i hit something in front its my fault and i can take the heat.

it really is just up to you. i think if you are on the fence.....do it, if you are concerned about safety well then buy an suv

 

Damn united states and all those do-gooders that want people to survive automobile accidents!

lol

 

[QUOTE=M2B4]ok in another thread i told my story. ill sum it up here bro kitted his eclipse took off the support beams. he parked behind me i backed into his car shattered front bumper slightly damaged radiator support (dinged it back into place) and dent the front of the hood to hell. then i knew a buddy who had a maxima kitted he took his off and got ran into the back of someones car( brakes went out) at 50 shattered his kit bent his radiator and hood and engine bay was all bent up. strange enuf a girl in a civic in front of me about a month back her brakes went out down a hill ran into the car at around 40-45 her car was stock had the bumper support and the only damage to her civic was the front bumper was destroyed along with her headlights but the hood got no visible damage nor did her radiator.QUOTE]

personally, i cannot agree with this..even though you back it up with evidence we all need to realize that these are all different accidents..First of all these cars seem to be littered with fiberglass (OF Course It Shatter!!) then theres different speeds, cars being hit, and angles beyond other things to take into account..like the front frame structure of a civic vs a prelude per se...the weight savings are very tantilizing..i guess we cannot make an accurate decision until we can see a lude with the supports and without the supports hit the same objects at the same speeds and at a variety of angles..this means more 4th gens will end up getting ruined (but at least not by ricers) in the name of this...

 

I dont think there is or ever will be an objective, scientific test that will show you the difference between 2 identical accidents, one with and one without the front bumper support. IMO, the bar does/will lessen damage to the front end in an accident because it is the only thing of substance in front of the frame. Without the front bumper support, the foam impact absorber wont have anything to rest on and that IS proven to help in ANY type of collision. JDM ludes have a smaller and lighter front bumper support but do you really think that the heavier USDM bar was made to help less in an accident? Yes the U.S. has way too many recstrictions, some helpful and many not, but when it comes to any daily driven car I think it just comes down to how much you're willing to sacrifice.

 

well my friend reversed into a power pole, not at speed, and demolished her RHS tailight and quarter panel. Took it apart to start the repairs, and some idiot had removed the main reinforcement. If that had been there, the repair would of likely been to the reinforcement and bar cover. She had to fork out a fair sum of cash to get it all repaired by my shop. So in conclusion, don't be idiots, they are there for a reason, plus they save you money when it comes to repair bills!

her damage at about 2mph in reverse withoout the reinforcement:





Damage to bootlid, rear tailight demolished, rear quarter replaced, inner beaver panel repaired, whole quarter panel and door resprayed to blend in colour, bootlid repsrayed and rear bumper resprayed.

With the reinforcement in place, she should of only had to repair the bar cover and paint that at that speed. Trust me, I do this everyday.

 

Its an option to remove them in the racecars.. I have hit the wall before, just a couple taps, the bumper supports saved the frame from being bent.. I would NEVER take bumper supports out. Just a little tap into something with ruin your car, instead of just ruining your paint.

 

Weight savings are 35-40lbs.. I've weighed them first hand.

Accords 45-50lbs (rear bumper is huge)
Civics - 25-30lbs
Tegs - 30lbs

 

Last year i was rear ended by a kitted celica at 25 mph. His car was crunched and totaled.... Mine only had minor damage...... 3 screws poped out of the rear bumper. .... Thank god for bumpers.

 

well if it's a daily driver, why the use for the weight decrease? leave that to the track car

 

i wish i didnt have to explain this to everyone, but NOWHERE did I say that i was planning on taking mine off

 

Quick answer is

They help at all speeds...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda318dx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quick answer is

They help at all speeds...</TD></TR></TABLE>

my cars got a kit on it but i definitely left my bumper supports on.

 

Sure you can take it out, but don't plan on getting in any accidents, cuz it will have no support at all and will flex and break much easier. Also what's right behind that? The frame and radiator/ac condenser and hood are so they're absorb the damage right away compared to if your front bumper support was there. I can say for a fact that that sum bitch does work damn good as I've been in an accident well over 5mph and it saved me from major damage and kept my frame from bending to much, as the front bumper support took most of the damage but still stayed intact as well. Just a little bit of a bend or warp in your frame can do a lot of damage man trust me. Also it leaves your hood extremely vulnerable because it would then be hanging out the furthest and be liable to brake or bend under any sort of impact

Make a long story short sure you can take it out but don't plan on getting in any accidents.

 

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And thats the point, no one plans that, haha..

 

ill never get rid of that hefty bitch. id rather replace that thing than a radiator and various other things that would get fucked up.


those things are pretty strong i work as a warehouse manager at a dealership and those things take a beating haha