1. I know this is the lude forum so feel free to move if necessary but I was attempting to not get biast votes, and opinions by posting in a turbo or all motor forum.

Alright so I been doing my research as i was collectively starting to piece together a turbo kit for my h22 sedan, I was aiming towards 260-280ish on no more than 10 psi, but more along the lines of 6-8 for street, I read very good #'s come from mild boost on 22's and people pushing 10-15 if not 19 lbs on stock bottom end, but we all know it don't last casue of the ring landings. . .
heres where the debate come in, if i boost it I don't/ am not ready to mess with the bottom end and I want more of a realiable sense of ease knowin my bottom end isn't gonna take a **** at any second.
so do i aim for 260-280hp with boost and spend-$2800--(btw these are my guesstimates/hook ups, please correct or add to my lists)

************ ******OR****** do i spend--%2700 and aim for 220ish N/A and have
more faith in my motor, and not be
on the turbo bandwagon

Boost costs----------------------------All motor cost.
turbo-$700----------------------------Injector's-$300
mani-$600---------------------------- fuel pump-$90
injectors-$300------------------------ Custom,(not homemade) Itb's-$1000
2mm head gasket$100+-------------Jun cams-$6-700???????
fuel pump-$90------------------------An-r header$600
Waste gate-$200---------------------spings&retainers$$???$
bov---$175+---------------------------
custom hard pipes$200--------------Already have autronic pNp
misc fittings, clamps$100------------Tune $90hr
psi gauge-$80
T-timer----$150
already have autronic pNp
already have fmic
Tune-$90hr


My current set up made 182whp, w/ 11:1 c/r, w/ a generic header. I typically don't call on the internet for help with my decisions but in this case, this is something I just can't make my mind up on as I have recently seen the 260whp n/a h22 that 2point6 has and a couple other 225+ h22's. . . . . any feed back, personal experiances, pros/cons would be appreciated.

editing for legibility!





Modified by h22chilton at 3:40 PM 2/22/2006


Modified by h22chilton at 3:42 PM 2/22/2006

 

im going through the same debate right now . but ive decided to stay all motor and buy the right (good quaility )stuff .

and with my budget i need reliability

 

I feel ya.. . .I had my heart set on boost, no ifs and or buts, . . but damn if I'm gonna blow it up in a few weeks, cause I drive my car hard, then I'd just assume to still smash a majority of the cars in my town with a n/a motor, but I am just wondering about the almost daily drivablity of the itb's??!!!

 

If you do not want to build the bottom end.
I suggest DEF going with NA.

ITB's will def drop the driveability of your car. But I think the gain far outways the losses in driveability..

NA = RAW power
Boost = poweraid

 

i heard that u should be ok with the drivability with iTBs as long as u have a good tune

 

a good tune will be a for sure either way, that is the only way I was gonna rely on any boost to last. My local shop specializes in in autronic sales and tuning

http://www.autronic.com/page_files/smc_kit.htm

 

what jun cams is every body using and what should i expect to pay for em?

 

i think they only had 1 set for the h22. its a HI lift cam and as far as i know its somewhere around 800. depends on where you get it through and their markup.

 

tied up on the poll? I thought one would blow the other out of the water. . .

 

ive run into the same problem.
always wanted to boost it simply for the bov, but then i realized 225 whp (N/A) vs 225 whp (Turbo) odds are the N/A will win. then i though about what i want. do i want a race car or a weekend warrior? i figured theres 22s out there putting 250+ whp N/A and that would be sufficiant for a weekend warrior in my town. plus i looked at the cost it will cost in engine work due to the FRM cylinder walls and the fact that if i boosted it i would want to do all the engine work the RIGHT way and that would cost an arm and a leg, and the fact that it would take so long to get the work done for boost where i live. plus think of the props you will get beating a boosted car and with N/A you dont have that issue of detonation like you do with the turbo. I found a shop who said they will put the mugen headers for the 97-01 lude on my 92 so that ups my wants for N/A (and yes they have done it before and the car runs strong).


Theres my input. N/A is my vote

edit: Dont wanna thread jack but can someone send me a message about why the ITB loses dirvability?

 

Hmm, if the FRM sleeves are the only thing holding you from boost, then why dont you do a G22/23?

F22/23 block (cast iron) + H22 Head () = turbo secks


There ya go, FRM problem eluded. And besides, if you blow up your F block, they are dime a dozen. Turbo is there for you if you really want it. Do a search for this combo, i forget the link, but there's ton's of info on this setup. Might be looking into for you guys.

 

You have to consider that one day you will want to raise the boost. You'll have wished you sleeved the block, etc... Stay NA.

 

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In all fairness...

so will boosting...

 

err, there is no option to vote for both, ITB with a custom manifold enclosure would be very nice boosted, look up tonythetiger in the forced induction forum.. very nice setup,

so i vote both

 

thanks for the input. . . so the votes leanin WAY out for n/a, I also feel the same way about the respectable part of the issue, as far as when I romp on some ones ***, the first thing they ALWAYS ask is you got a turbo on that thang? it puts a big o smile on my face face saying, no! So I am pretty much ruling out the boost, as it would be an endless spending festivity and equal more down time for my car after I blow the rings and want/have to spend $4k on a bottm end.

 

"no username exists": tonythetiger, I take it he has a boosted itb set up?

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zero...=1706

search for archived threads of his..

 

so which itb's (bike) are commonly used for the h22? I saw a couple sets made but the outter runnners had to be angled 15 degrees in order to line up w/ the 22 intake ports. or is it "that big" of a deal that there is a slight angle.?