6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's
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6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's
Is it me, or do you think that Honda should have made a 6-speed tranny for the 94-01 GSR?
A 6-speed for highway crusing would have made this car O-so Perfect.
It would have kept the RPM's down at like 3000 something....
instead of the ridiculous 3500/4000 at like 70mph
But like i said, maybe thats just me.
Im used to driving Accords.
In my 92 @ 70mph i used to be at like 2500-3000rpm
In my 94 @ 70mph i used to be at like 3000rpm
What do you guys think....
A 6-speed for highway crusing would have made this car O-so Perfect.
It would have kept the RPM's down at like 3000 something....
instead of the ridiculous 3500/4000 at like 70mph
But like i said, maybe thats just me.
Im used to driving Accords.
In my 92 @ 70mph i used to be at like 2500-3000rpm
In my 94 @ 70mph i used to be at like 3000rpm
What do you guys think....
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (Slo Cord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slo Cord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you guys think....</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (nsxtasy)
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I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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To the original poster.....................
you've officially had your ******* lit
, nice explanation nsxtacy
I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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To the original poster.....................
you've officially had your ******* lit
, nice explanation nsxtacy
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (nsxtasy)
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I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (RGoose18)
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To the original poster.....................
you've officially had your ******* lit , nice explanation nsxtacy</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh really?
It was all well and good to see him explain it.
Not mad for that, i know little rev-happy engines get their peak power/torque all the way at like 7k.
I know Honda is a great motor company, and they designed the GSR so well.
I just thought, MY PERSONAL TASTE, that it would have been cool to have a 6th gear for Highway crusing...
But its whatever, in reality we only have 5.
Im not going to loose sleep over it, and i dont think you're going to loose sleep over it.
So it doesnt really matter..... i was just saying .......
To the original poster.....................
you've officially had your ******* lit
, nice explanation nsxtacy</TD></TR></TABLE>Oh really?
It was all well and good to see him explain it.
Not mad for that, i know little rev-happy engines get their peak power/torque all the way at like 7k.
I know Honda is a great motor company, and they designed the GSR so well.
I just thought, MY PERSONAL TASTE, that it would have been cool to have a 6th gear for Highway crusing...
But its whatever, in reality we only have 5.
Im not going to loose sleep over it, and i dont think you're going to loose sleep over it.
So it doesnt really matter..... i was just saying .......
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (nsxtasy)
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I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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perfectly stated.....if you want performance, you have to sacrifice daily driveability...one of those sacrifices being lower cruising rpm's on the highway. shorter gearing means faster acceleration, but less shifts also mean better acceleration and faster track times. match these benefits with high-revving capabilities and you have a machine which is VERY potent within its powerband. there's no perfect medium which allows all the comforts of daily driveability, and all the pure-bred race-hardened performance that suits the track.......at least not in the five figure price range.
I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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perfectly stated.....if you want performance, you have to sacrifice daily driveability...one of those sacrifices being lower cruising rpm's on the highway. shorter gearing means faster acceleration, but less shifts also mean better acceleration and faster track times. match these benefits with high-revving capabilities and you have a machine which is VERY potent within its powerband. there's no perfect medium which allows all the comforts of daily driveability, and all the pure-bred race-hardened performance that suits the track.......at least not in the five figure price range.
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (runeminaEF9)
Just because a 6th gear would be available doesn't mean the auto-x folks need to use it!
Having done a lot of stuff to my 98 GS-R, the two remaining complaints I would have (if anybody asked):
- no 6th gear (and this thread only discussed the slowpokes driving 75mph)
- small gas task (moreso after adding JRSC)
Having done a lot of stuff to my 98 GS-R, the two remaining complaints I would have (if anybody asked):
- no 6th gear (and this thread only discussed the slowpokes driving 75mph)
- small gas task (moreso after adding JRSC)
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (Slo Cord)
the more gears the better. a 6th gear would be a huge bennifit on our cars. the more gears there are the closer they can be and the smaller the gears can be. this would of course make the car faster. a gsr is at 4k rpm at 80 mph. a s2k is 4k rpm at 80mph on 6th gear. the smaller gears is a big reason on why the car is so fast considering the low hp.
even if the gears were not smaller and if we had a 6th gear to lower out highway cruse rpm from 4k to 3k we would have so much better gas milage too.
i lost 2mpg going from a ls to a b16 tranny.
so yes a 6th gear would be sweet
even if the gears were not smaller and if we had a 6th gear to lower out highway cruse rpm from 4k to 3k we would have so much better gas milage too.
i lost 2mpg going from a ls to a b16 tranny.
so yes a 6th gear would be sweet
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (riceball777)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the more gears the better. a 6th gear would be a huge bennifit on our cars. the more gears there are the closer they can be and the smaller the gears can be. this would of course make the car faster. a gsr is at 4k rpm at 80 mph. a s2k is 4k rpm at 80mph on 6th gear. the smaller gears is a big reason on why the car is so fast considering the low hp.
even if the gears were not smaller and if we had a 6th gear to lower out highway cruse rpm from 4k to 3k we would have so much better gas milage too.
i lost 2mpg going from a ls to a b16 tranny.
so yes a 6th gear would be sweet </TD></TR></TABLE>
agreed with you, i was just about to post the same thing.
even if the gears were not smaller and if we had a 6th gear to lower out highway cruse rpm from 4k to 3k we would have so much better gas milage too.
i lost 2mpg going from a ls to a b16 tranny.
so yes a 6th gear would be sweet </TD></TR></TABLE>
agreed with you, i was just about to post the same thing.
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (LSracing94)
i think its gay you got flamed so hard.... not everyone wants their 'sportscar' to be fast all the time... I would absolutely love a 6th gear while driving highway.... although I do enjoy downshifting to 4th at 75 mph and being 300 revs away from vtec : D
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (TiredToyotaDriver)
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thats what i am saying, 6th gear for highway driving would be awesome
thats what i am saying, 6th gear for highway driving would be awesome
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If you want a taller top gear for highway cruising, then sell the GS-R and get an LS Integra. That's what the LS is for - more of a highway cruiser, with less acceleration and performance than a GS-R. If you want a highway cruiser, get an LS. If you want more performance, get a GS-R. If you want still more performance, get an ITR. (Or modify any of the above.)
The stock gearing for these cars puts 80 mph around 3500 RPM in the LS, 80 mph around 4000 RPM in the GS-R, and 75 mph around 4000 RPM in the ITR.
If you want a taller top gear for highway cruising, then sell the GS-R and get an LS Integra. That's what the LS is for - more of a highway cruiser, with less acceleration and performance than a GS-R. If you want a highway cruiser, get an LS. If you want more performance, get a GS-R. If you want still more performance, get an ITR. (Or modify any of the above.)
The stock gearing for these cars puts 80 mph around 3500 RPM in the LS, 80 mph around 4000 RPM in the GS-R, and 75 mph around 4000 RPM in the ITR.
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Re: 6 gears on 94-01 GS-R's (nsxtasy)
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I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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So right.
I think you should stick to Accords. You don't understand sports cars. Especially the VTEC ones, whose advantage is in keeping their torque up at high revs, which gives them a gearing advantage over cars that have to upshift. And you don't understand that the purpose of a sixth gear is NOT to allow lower revs on the highway, but rather, to achieve closer spacing of the gears up to that point in order to provide better acceleration.
Here, read this article if you want to understand how the ability to keep the torque at high revs helps a car's performance. And if you still don't understand after reading that, find a friend who takes his VTEC car to a racetrack, and have him take you for a ride. Watch how he drives and uses the upper end of the revband to maximize his acceleration.
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So right.
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this is not new information... I completely understand where you're coming from... all I'm saying is it would have been nice if they combined a performance car with some practical features (i.e., a GSR with a 6th gear)
I love the gearing ratios in my GSR, dont get me wrong... all I'm saying is it would be tight if they added a 6th gear and kept 1-5 the same... thats all this thread asked for...a voicing of opinions... we all know (or should know) the differences in the teg models and what their best function is
I love the gearing ratios in my GSR, dont get me wrong... all I'm saying is it would be tight if they added a 6th gear and kept 1-5 the same... thats all this thread asked for...a voicing of opinions... we all know (or should know) the differences in the teg models and what their best function is
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i think you people flaming the original poster, saying stuff like, "you don't understand, dumbass, it's all about PERFORMANCE, especially with VTAK!!" don't really understand the concepts of gearing for the road yourselves.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by reno96teg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think you people flaming the original poster, saying stuff like, "you don't understand, dumbass, it's all about PERFORMANCE, especially with VTAK!!" don't really understand the concepts of gearing for the road yourselves.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you might have just started a war, my friend... time to sit back and watch the posts fly...
you might have just started a war, my friend... time to sit back and watch the posts fly...
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bring it on!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>bring it on!!
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I have a b16 tranny with Ls 5th gear for highway. It's not bad on the highway at all.
I bet the 6th gear did not justisfy with the honda engineers when it it comes down to price and praticality. To an engineer point of view....whoever thought about a car with less 200 hp with a 6th gear transmission at that day and age? Why would they spend the extra amount of money to reengineer at diffent platform of transmission different to the conventional 5 speed that have be tested and proven to work?
Think about daily driving on the streets...you would constantly be shifting that it won't be funny at all. Honda/Acura were aimed to sale to a general public not for autocrosser, roadracer, etc. I don't think your mom would like going through all 5 of her 6 gears tranny to get the supermarket. With my setup..I something have to go through 4 gears just for a short distance traval. However, it's pretty sweet at the track
I bet the 6th gear did not justisfy with the honda engineers when it it comes down to price and praticality. To an engineer point of view....whoever thought about a car with less 200 hp with a 6th gear transmission at that day and age? Why would they spend the extra amount of money to reengineer at diffent platform of transmission different to the conventional 5 speed that have be tested and proven to work?
Think about daily driving on the streets...you would constantly be shifting that it won't be funny at all. Honda/Acura were aimed to sale to a general public not for autocrosser, roadracer, etc. I don't think your mom would like going through all 5 of her 6 gears tranny to get the supermarket
. With my setup..I something have to go through 4 gears just for a short distance traval. However, it's pretty sweet at the track 
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FWIW: The downside to having a 6th gear is that one of two things must occur, either the size of the transmission housing must increase to have a 6th (thereby increasing the weight of the tranny significantly) OR the rest of the gears must shrink to allow room for the 6th. The latter is what has occured for the RSX type-S tranny. Smaller faced gears aren't capable of handling as much stress as wider ones, which is why rsx trans are breaking at power levels that the B-series tranny has no problems handling.
You have to pick your poison, either a heavy & strong 6 speed, or a lightweight weaker one.
If you want a GREAT track/cruising car, swap in a K20, put in a 5.0 final drive off a CRV, and add the TSX or TL (I forget which one works) 6th gear. You'll have insanely short ratios in 1st-5th & still have a great cruising 6th. I'm contemplating doing this to my RSX. Just make sure to keep the power levels under ~300 hp, I've heard of 2nd gear going out at 260+ hp.
If you want to keep the b-series, then you'll have to choose between cruising comfort or nice, close ratio gearing. You could always use an LS trans & boost!
You have to pick your poison, either a heavy & strong 6 speed, or a lightweight weaker one.
If you want a GREAT track/cruising car, swap in a K20, put in a 5.0 final drive off a CRV, and add the TSX or TL (I forget which one works) 6th gear. You'll have insanely short ratios in 1st-5th & still have a great cruising 6th. I'm contemplating doing this to my RSX. Just make sure to keep the power levels under ~300 hp, I've heard of 2nd gear going out at 260+ hp.
If you want to keep the b-series, then you'll have to choose between cruising comfort or nice, close ratio gearing. You could always use an LS trans & boost!