How are you guys getting Camber on the fron of the 88-91 Civic's? I mean, it's been lowered but I still need more. I was looking at a home improv job and I'm pretty sure I know how to accomplish it but what I had planned wouldn't work with the front strut bar. I was just curious as to what was strong enough to take the abuse.

Thanks

 

Vision makes some ungodly expensive adjustable upper control arms for EFs.

 

I was able to get 3.4 out of my STS car with just lowering.

 

I'm not sure how much is in it, but I know it needs about another degree.

Let's try to stay reasonable with the pricing too if poss.

 

vision and a-sports are the only two companies i know that make uca's. neither are in any way cheap.

i remember talking to someone about offset uca bushings, but i can't remember much else on them.

 

Does anyone have any experiance with Tien's strut mount adjuster?

 

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If you're talking about what I think you are, camber plates are for MacPherson strut suspension and will not work with a double wishbone setup. The wheel alignment in a double wishbone suspension setup is determined by the control arms, not by the position of the coilover assembly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Vision makes some ungodly expensive adjustable upper control arms for EFs.</TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah more negative camber.

 

http://www.specprod.com/ got several different things to use. I've heard the anchor bolts can be put in backwards to gain neg camber

 

Have you checked out http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com? Lots of info on a street touring setup for 88-91 civics

Here is a quote from his site:
SETUP ADVICE
Alignment (camber) I don't run any camber adjustment on my car. It's all camber gained from lowering the car. With the ride height I like to run, it provides almost 3 degrees negative on the front and 2 at the back. 2.5 is ok in front too if you aren't as low, but I prefer the more aggressive camber in front to really help the car dig in at corner entry.
There are 2 front camber kit designs. First is the inner pivot and the 2nd is the adjustable ball joint. I've heard several people prefer the ball joints and I prefer the inner pivot. It's not a big deal. I've installed both. The ball joint gives more adjustment, but the inner pivot is more repeatable and easier to deal with I think. The set of 2 for both front wheels is around $130 or so. See the suspension page for pricing.

The rear camber adjustment is also a good tuning tool. These are threaded upper control arms with rubber or polyurethane bushings (or brass... but that's not legal is most classes). There are around $130 as well. See the suspension page for pricing.

Hope this helps

 

You shouldn't need anything. I've got -2.5 on mine and it isn't even aggressively lowered yet.

More than -2.5 is a matter of preference, but I don't like to go higher than that because I feel you start to adversely effect braking with not so much return on investment in cornering.
JMO based on experience and what I like.

 

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just curious how you know it needs another degree? you really should be able to get all you need from lowering. if you're already over -3 degrees and you still need more camber, might i suggest stiffer springs/swaybars? it would be nice to know how much camber you have right now and how low you are. the EF's have a very aggressive camber curve and lots of bump travel. there are only 2 civics i know of that run camber correction. one because it's so low it had over -4 degrees, the other because it is so high that it had less then -2 degrees.

nate

 

On my 1991 Civic Si it was just lowered with Koni SPSS shocks and Ground Control coilovers and the front was -2.8 and the rear was -2.5. No camber kit necessary.

 

I'm on Vogtland Springs with Bilstein front shocks. It was a little too soft, but I have modifierd the setup a little bit. Since the car is on jackstands right now I don't know iif it is firm enough or not. I'll have to check my papers but off my head the outside of the tire was running ~15 degrees hotter than the inside. I can't really go any lower and still keep the suspension geometry correct enough.

 

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You can pretty much go as low as you want until you run out of suspension travel.

 

I have the Vision arms on my Civic - they are very nice. I also installed the Ingalls kit in back (the one that adds more negative camber).
My car was also a daily driver, so I didn't lower as much as some other members, but still wanted the camber.
The alignment guys that have been under there have always had good things to say about both these kits (much better than the SPC ball joints I used to run), and I've had no problems with the adjustments changing when they weren't supposed to.

 

Not meaning to hijack but what is the legal way to get increased camber in this car in ITA guise or is ~2.5-2.8 deg enough for an IT car??

Thanks

 

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Thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
offset bushings in the upper control arms. Good for .25-.50 gain in neg. camber.

 

I have a set for sale
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1538122

 

Do you have any other really neat EF parts lying around? Given the interest in building EF STS cars, you could probably get rid of them veeeerry quickly ;-D