ASR 32mm revamp...
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ASR 32mm revamp...
I recently met up with Charleston the owner and designer of the A spec racing subframe brace and my 32mm hollow sway bar setup. I picked up a few new little pieces for my sway bar kit and have just recently installed them and wanted to share with you guys...
You can see the new CNC'd endlink arms, the new sway bar bushings, and if you look closely the new endlink seal kit...
here are a couple pictures of the new arms and the seal kit
the new arms are much prettier and much more blingarific, they are also a little lighter and the shape of them allows them to fit above the rear LCA with more clearance. The seal kit is something he said I actually showed him a while ago that I had forgotten about. They are pretty cool little washers with a rubber boot/seal formed on the washer. They should help keep any debris out of the hiem joint and hopefully they will last a little longer.
here is a picture of the new sway bar bushings compared to the old ones...
the new ones are different from the old classic style rubber sway bar bushings. They are new self lubricating self centering solid bushings. They seem to be a combo of a solid metal bushing with a hard poly material surrounding the metal sleeve.
here is a picture of my subframe almost 87k on the chassis and more than 15k with the 32mm sway (lots of hard street and freeway driving with plenty of track duty as well)...
and then of course a before and after shot of the 32mm sway and subframe reinforcement
before
after
You can see the new CNC'd endlink arms, the new sway bar bushings, and if you look closely the new endlink seal kit...
here are a couple pictures of the new arms and the seal kit
the new arms are much prettier and much more blingarific, they are also a little lighter and the shape of them allows them to fit above the rear LCA with more clearance. The seal kit is something he said I actually showed him a while ago that I had forgotten about. They are pretty cool little washers with a rubber boot/seal formed on the washer. They should help keep any debris out of the hiem joint and hopefully they will last a little longer.
here is a picture of the new sway bar bushings compared to the old ones...
the new ones are different from the old classic style rubber sway bar bushings. They are new self lubricating self centering solid bushings. They seem to be a combo of a solid metal bushing with a hard poly material surrounding the metal sleeve.
here is a picture of my subframe almost 87k on the chassis and more than 15k with the 32mm sway (lots of hard street and freeway driving with plenty of track duty as well)...
and then of course a before and after shot of the 32mm sway and subframe reinforcement
before
after
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Re: ASR 32mm revamp... (prkiller)
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Can't wait to get the 32mm for my race car!
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Me too....
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Can't wait to get the 32mm for my race car!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Me too....
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Re: ASR 32mm revamp... (prkiller)
i really REALLY like the new re-design, not that anything was wrong witht he first version its just this one is alot nice. Much geared toward racing.
i think ill be contacting him again about this setup.
i think ill be contacting him again about this setup.
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sweet! a-spec bars are awesome! Charleston is a cool dude, have 32mm a-specs on both of our race cars.
btw...whats up with two different shocks? is that a stock one on the left rear?
btw...whats up with two different shocks? is that a stock one on the left rear?
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yah, thats the before shot...
I actually ran the bar + brace for a good couple months on the street while I was using the car as a DD. It was on the stock struts and Tien S-tech springs for a good 3+ months...
Like I said this brace has taken a lot of punishment and my sub-frame still looks brand new after lots of heavy usage...
I actually ran the bar + brace for a good couple months on the street while I was using the car as a DD. It was on the stock struts and Tien S-tech springs for a good 3+ months...
Like I said this brace has taken a lot of punishment and my sub-frame still looks brand new after lots of heavy usage...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon V »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yah, thats the before shot...
I actually ran the bar + brace for a good couple months on the street while I was using the car as a DD. It was on the stock struts and Tien S-tech springs for a good 3+ months...
Like I said this brace has taken a lot of punishment and my sub-frame still looks brand new after lots of heavy usage...</TD></TR></TABLE>
is it possible to daily drive with that beast on there
I actually ran the bar + brace for a good couple months on the street while I was using the car as a DD. It was on the stock struts and Tien S-tech springs for a good 3+ months...
Like I said this brace has taken a lot of punishment and my sub-frame still looks brand new after lots of heavy usage...</TD></TR></TABLE>
is it possible to daily drive with that beast on there
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is it possible to daily drive with that beast on there</TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess it is, but I sure would not want to daily drive with it on my car and I have quite a bit of "high performance driving experience"
ASR really built that kit for trackday/racers! But who can stop you from using it on your street car!
is it possible to daily drive with that beast on there</TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess it is, but I sure would not want to daily drive with it on my car and I have quite a bit of "high performance driving experience"
ASR really built that kit for trackday/racers! But who can stop you from using it on your street car!
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I daily drive my Prelude with ASR's 32mm solid bar. I love it.
I daily drive my Prelude with ASR's 32mm solid bar. I love it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prkiller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess it is, but I sure would not want to daily drive with it on my car and I have quite a bit of "high performance driving experience"
ASR really built that kit for trackday/racers! But who can stop you from using it on your street car! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually with the right bar thickness you can make it less stiff than a regular 22mm bar. I'd have to see how the arm calculations came out on the DC2/EK cars, but on my EF 32mm hollow bar you could have it where its much softer than the equivalent 22mm bar. The range of swaybar rates possible with these bars are amazing if built right.
ASR really built that kit for trackday/racers! But who can stop you from using it on your street car!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Actually with the right bar thickness you can make it less stiff than a regular 22mm bar. I'd have to see how the arm calculations came out on the DC2/EK cars, but on my EF 32mm hollow bar you could have it where its much softer than the equivalent 22mm bar. The range of swaybar rates possible with these bars are amazing if built right.
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Actually with the right bar thickness you can make it less stiff than a regular 22mm bar. I'd have to see how the arm calculations came out on the DC2/EK cars, but on my EF 32mm hollow bar you could have it where its much softer than the equivalent 22mm bar. The range of swaybar rates possible with these bars are amazing if built right. </TD></TR></TABLE>
all while using the same mounts and arms and bushings since the outer diameter doesn't change.
and you get a lighter setup.
that's why i keep asking about an ef version- not because i have "something wrong with me"
Actually with the right bar thickness you can make it less stiff than a regular 22mm bar. I'd have to see how the arm calculations came out on the DC2/EK cars, but on my EF 32mm hollow bar you could have it where its much softer than the equivalent 22mm bar. The range of swaybar rates possible with these bars are amazing if built right. </TD></TR></TABLE>
all while using the same mounts and arms and bushings since the outer diameter doesn't change.
and you get a lighter setup.
that's why i keep asking about an ef version- not because i have "something wrong with me"
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Darwin will eventually stop you
I was running a 22mm ITR bar on my EJ6 but removed one endlink till I get an ASR brace. It rotated easily with that bar, so I wouldn't want to run the 32 on the street.
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I was running a 22mm ITR bar on my EJ6 but removed one endlink till I get an ASR brace. It rotated easily with that bar, so I wouldn't want to run the 32 on the street.
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Darwin will eventually stop you
I was running a 22mm ITR bar on my EJ6 but removed one endlink till I get an ASR brace. It rotated easily with that bar, so I wouldn't want to run the 32 on the street. </TD></TR></TABLE>
what some people are saying is that just becuase the bar is 32mm does not make it that much stiffer, then an ITR 22mm.
Cool thing about these types of bars, the NASCAR and other roundy round teams use them so there are ALOT out there, and if you search you can find, "spring rate" graph's of them.
This bars are mostly effected by the wall thinckness not the over all diameter, if i understand things correctly.
Darwin will eventually stop you
I was running a 22mm ITR bar on my EJ6 but removed one endlink till I get an ASR brace. It rotated easily with that bar, so I wouldn't want to run the 32 on the street. </TD></TR></TABLE>
what some people are saying is that just becuase the bar is 32mm does not make it that much stiffer, then an ITR 22mm.
Cool thing about these types of bars, the NASCAR and other roundy round teams use them so there are ALOT out there, and if you search you can find, "spring rate" graph's of them.
This bars are mostly effected by the wall thinckness not the over all diameter, if i understand things correctly.
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This bars are mostly effected by the wall thinckness not the over all diameter, if i understand things correctly.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the outer part of a bar is what does the most work, so by removing the inner part you get a similar bar that weighs less. you do have to make up for the little bit of work that the inner part does, so the bar gets bigger, but you still end up with a lighter and more efficient bar. you cannot compare diameters of a hollow bar with a solid bar directly- especially without knowing the inner diameter of the hollow bar- so saying "damn! 32mm! yer gonna spin around like a top!" without knowing the real rates is silly. i do seem to recall charleston showing the rates and how they compared to the 22mm bar that most people are used to talking about, but i forgot where.
some socal (based on percentages, that's probably where you live) engineer will undoubtably explain this (and correct anything i dont understand) in much more detail.
This bars are mostly effected by the wall thinckness not the over all diameter, if i understand things correctly.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the outer part of a bar is what does the most work, so by removing the inner part you get a similar bar that weighs less. you do have to make up for the little bit of work that the inner part does, so the bar gets bigger, but you still end up with a lighter and more efficient bar. you cannot compare diameters of a hollow bar with a solid bar directly- especially without knowing the inner diameter of the hollow bar- so saying "damn! 32mm! yer gonna spin around like a top!" without knowing the real rates is silly. i do seem to recall charleston showing the rates and how they compared to the 22mm bar that most people are used to talking about, but i forgot where.
some socal (based on percentages, that's probably where you live) engineer will undoubtably explain this (and correct anything i dont understand) in much more detail.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ryan12321 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on my EF 32mm hollow bar you could have it where its much softer than the equivalent 22mm bar. The range of swaybar rates possible with these bars are amazing if built right. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Would you say that the 32mm hollow bar (complete setup) is sufficiently lighter than the ST 22mm bar that its worth the money to change over for weight reduction? Also, how easy (quickly) can you change/adjust bar rates (between runs at a National Tour event with 20+ cars in the class fast)?
Would you say that the 32mm hollow bar (complete setup) is sufficiently lighter than the ST 22mm bar that its worth the money to change over for weight reduction? Also, how easy (quickly) can you change/adjust bar rates (between runs at a National Tour event with 20+ cars in the class fast)?
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Would you say that the 32mm hollow bar (complete setup) is sufficiently lighter than the ST 22mm bar that its worth the money to change over for weight reduction? Also, how easy (quickly) can you change/adjust bar rates (between runs at a National Tour event with 20+ cars in the class fast)?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it would not be that quick, but this bar also has adjustabelity, (look were the endlink coneccts to the shinny bling part). I
Would you say that the 32mm hollow bar (complete setup) is sufficiently lighter than the ST 22mm bar that its worth the money to change over for weight reduction? Also, how easy (quickly) can you change/adjust bar rates (between runs at a National Tour event with 20+ cars in the class fast)?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it would not be that quick, but this bar also has adjustabelity, (look were the endlink coneccts to the shinny bling part). I