<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My set up as of 12/03/05:
Car: 1990 Accord 4 door Lx

Engine Block: '93 H22a "bored and stroked" to 2.44ltrs of displacement built by Collective Racing. Custom 98mm Crank, 89mm Darton sleeves, Crower Pro-billet rods, 12/1 compression 89mm JE pistons, Prodrive oil pump, ATR crank pulley, manual timing belt tensioner conversion, ARP main studs.

Cylinder head: Portwork by Collective Racing, Web Cams camshafts (89/267), Web Cams springs and Titainium retainers, ITR LMAs, 50mm TWM ITBs, Hondata intake manifold gasket, RC engineering 440cc Fuel injectors, STR cam seal, STR cam gears, RMF 4-1 header, ARP head studs, Cometic head gasket.

Transmission: T2T4, prodrive 4.7 FD, carbon synchros

Misc: NGK wires, NepTune engine management, 2 1/2" crunch bent exaust
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I have been watching yor threads and talked to you a bit, butI have questions about your engine. some tings dont make very much sense to me compared to other h22s out there. with your size of motor, why are you down on power compared to other 12.5/1 stock cranked h22s? It seems like you should be making way over 260 wich btw is much lower on a dynojet prolly 235-240ish. Do you think that your portwork is working for you? those cams seem very big despite you claiming they are small. I am not meaning this as a flame in any way just asking questions. also why did you choose 50mm itb's? seems like 52 would have been a better option for you. what would you say is the weak point of your engine. I want to improve upon your set up and I have some ideas, but I want to hear your input since you are revered as "master" here.
Btw, why crunch bent piping.? lol come on now

 

Use pm's, don't make a thread for the whole world to see.

 

there are things that dont make sense that I think we could all learn from.

 

I don't think he likes to share details on his builds...

 

? he posts details everywhere. I dont get it?

I quoted his details. Is he secretive or something?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hawkze_2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Use pm's, don't make a thread for the whole world to see. </TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hawkze_2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Use pm's, don't make a thread for the whole world to see. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why not let other people chip in with their ideas and theories as well?

 

this could have been posted as "Questions about 2point6s motor" instead of directing a question straight to scott....

if you just want to ask him directly, pm him

if you want to discuss his setup, then discuss

 

That is my point to discuss his engine. people ar afraid to contradict his build. I say it should make more power and I want to know where his chioce of parts came from that make up this "beast"

 

Goofy thread, but nothing for people to get their panties in a was over. He's a big-name figure; if he answers, he answers; if he doesn't he doesn't.

 

i hahe sent messages to him without response. I want a few answers to clear the air here. some people could be mislead if noone questions master.

 

out here in So-Cal there are a couple of accord turning mid 11's all engine. they are making more power but with the same size motor
maybe I can see where he went wrong

 

btw iw as let in on a little secret. this car only makes 237 on adynojet but 260 on a dynapak same day. somebodys fixing #s

i want to see if a better head pakage is where he went wrong. 2.4ltrs is good to 300whp, so why only 237?

 

Maybe different dynos have different measurements of power, ever think of that????

 

No one is "fixing" numbers jackass, Church's dynapack reads higher than dynojets... Search around and you would have found that out. The dynapack that I will be dynoing on reads really low (140-145 for a stock h22) so don't compare dyno numbers just because they were on the same day.

If you feel it necessary to compare dyno numbers, then have the cars/motors you want to compare meet at a dyno, and then see what they can do. You don't know what hp 2point6 is making, but it is very respectable for 12.1 compression regardless. And you can't say that 2.4 liters is good for any set hp number... that is all speculation.

If you give me some time and money, I can make a 350whp 2.4L, but that's not what I want to do, and I'm sure that's not what 2point6 was planning on doing either. He wanted a nice street motor that he could go fill up at the pump with, and have a great looking powerband at the same time. Peak numbers aren't everything, and you always need to take a step back and ask what this motor was designed for.

 

nice name calling jerk. I just found some things funny with your lord and saviors engine i thought could be improved on, but he doesnt respond to my messages and he is not posting here.

since this is supposed to be a discussion, what was his engine built for if it is in a drag car?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Civic 1.8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice name calling jerk. I just found some things funny with your lord and saviors engine i thought could be improved on, but he doesnt respond to my messages and he is not posting here.

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He is not my lord and savior first of all. I just respect him for having a powerful h series powerplant. I didn't say his motor was perfect and I don't doubt that a few things could be improved upon to make more power. But why does it concern you so much. And last I checked, this was in a 4 door street trim accord... not a "drag car" so expletive off.

 

ok lets talk about improving this set up instead of internet warfare.

what would you say could be improved giving his specs?
I say a dh head and cams as well as losing the itbs

 

Well, I don't live on the West coast, and since I don't really know collective racing, it is a possibility that there could be an improvement in the headwork, but that is only spceculation. I could also imply that the 2.5 crush bent exhaust is hurting him with a 3" exit pipe coming from his header (even though this dyno graph was with an open exhaust), and the cams could be holding him back a fair amount, and the low revs also puzzle me a bit.

Those are some things he probably could do to make some more power, but by no means do I feel like criticizing his build because of any of it, which is the feeling I get from your post. If you wanted to talk about how to get 300 hp out of a 2.4L you could make a thread about getting 300hp out of a 2.4L. If you wanted to know how to get the most power out of an h series with "x:1" cr, then you should make a thread about getting the most power out of an h series with x:1 compression... Grow up and use more common sense.

 

oh i see your point. I am not putting down this guy in any way. I want to make more power than him that is all. he won't give me any input so i need ht do give me input based on this build since it seems to be the highest here.

 

Then ask for advice on your build, not what others should have done with their build to make more power than they did. That is insulting to the guys who put a lot of work, a lot of time, and a lot of money into a build, and then go through the **** that comes with posting up a graph and a mod list on honda-tech.

I would try starting a new thread with a different title and asking for a deletion of this thread. You will get a lot more advice and help on how to make an xxx whp h series, than asking what other people did wrong.

 

get a room

 

sweet comment man

I love how mature the average honda-tech user is

 

^^^^^
who cares?

just wait for him to answer...

 

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who cares?

just wait for him to answer...</TD></TR></TABLE>

what are you talking about...?

I was talking to the guy who said to get a room, not the original poster.

PS: 2point6's motor had like 40-60k on it when this dyno run took place... take that into consideration.




Modified by jd3jdm at 1:42 AM 2/13/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Matt5745767 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^^^
who cares?

just wait for him to answer...</TD></TR></TABLE>

why are you hating