i emailed this place online about a d15b vtec for buying

this is what they said:

Hi there,

The cable LSD transmission for a d15b doesn't exist. I can get you a stock cable transmission with the d15b vtec engine and a P08 ECU for $989.00 shipped at your door.

Thank you for your inquiry


wtf? so are they saying there is no such thing as a lsd tranmission for that motor? and i want a p28 and not the p08, and im also looking into getting a hondata s200 for like 100-200. im confused by this. does this price even seem reasonable for all those 3 things?

 

D15B VTEC engines came in cars with hydraulic clutch - 92-up
they didn't have cable clutch - price is high

 

its a little high H motors has the long block for 600 shipped to Ny find a cable trans here on HT and call it day.

 

yea but i thought d series **** was all interchable

is the 90-91 5 speed si tranny not lsd? i thought it was, and ive been told by like 5324324 people to get rid of that hydralic tranny for the d15b and get a ef si 5 speed tranny

if that is so, im just going to guess that you can bolt on the si tranny to the d15b, so im just going to guess thats its not an lsd.

oh my lord d series is confusing

 

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ya i was thinking that myself, but this also comes with the ecu and tranny which is why its a little more expensive, but i gaurentee ebay could get me a p28 for a lot cheaper than any of these online sites, that and possibly the hondata s200. hmotors is located in cali right? and f its 200 to ship from cali to ny, then its probly a little cheaper to ship from cali to minnesota, since its half the distance

 

god damnit, now i was just told i need new axles for this d15b swap, is that true?

 

what car?

 

well, doesn't really matter - if you have 88-91 transmission (anything but a ZC) and your car is 88-91 - your axles will work

 

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aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggg

i have a 91 std, i was just told on ******* aim that i will need new axles and hubs for the d15b vtec with the d16a6 tranny (aka si tranny)

god damnit im so ******* confused now, and i thought i had all this **** researched, and figured out, and i was ready to go out and put 1500 into my car and now "i need new axles and hubs" GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

sorry, but im just kinda pissed atm, i was planning on doing this swap in like a month

and yes for my previos question about si tranny being lsd, i just found out it is not an lsd

heres my budget plan and what ive researched that i am going to need for the d15b vtec motor:

dpfi - mpfi, and obd0 -obd1 converion harness from rywire ($300)
p28 ecu and a hondata s200 (300 is what a guy is offering me for both)
the motor itself for (~600)
the 90-91 si 5 speed cable transmission (100-200)
and maybe new mounts cuz my vehicle is kinda rusty ($100-200 ???)


now is this EVERYTHING<U></U> i am going to need to do this swap in my 91 STD civic???????????????????????


can someone please verify this and check the pricing, cuz im on a tight budget and the slightest 50 or 100 difference could help me or break me

thx!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

your STD axles will work with the Si transmission - they are only different at the hub end and unless you are swapping hubs, you don't have a problem - the Si transmissions did not have LSD - pricing looks o.k. - 89 Si transmission also works

 

why would you want a p28 instead of a p08?...www.superiortradinginternational.com is where i get all my engines and i think its about 550 plus shipping for an engine, ecu, lsd tranny

 

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i was just told by about 500 people from this site, on aim, and people at school if i was going the d15b vtec route, to get a p28 ecu, no one ever mentioned any other ecu.

but um eh that doesnt look like a bad deal, but you also meantioned it comes with an lsd tranny. i was just told by 3 people that no d series has lsd tranny's. but anotoher guy told me that i dont need an lsd if i have a good camber and hondata which gives you the launch control.

but theres 1 problem about the hondata, i dont know how to tune it or adjust it for 1, and even if i did i dont have the equipment for it, and i couldnt afford the equipment for it if i wanted it. and unless the vtec control and launch control are already pre set, then i dont know how they would be all great for me cuz i couldnt adjust it.

hrm, so are these people just screwing with me that i need new axles and such for this swap? cuz up until that point i thought i had everything down

 

my d15b i got from them had lsd tranny...but now that i think about it i picked out my engine and tranny from the warehouse...and the p08 is made to control the d15b, its similar to the p28 but its better IMO, i wouldnt ever run a d15b with a p28...if your going to buy an engine be sure to get the ecu MADE for the engine

 

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um, a lot of people on these forums are saying either ecu will work fine. but um how did you manage to pick out a d series lsd tranny for the d15b? i was told by 3 people there are no lsd's for d series, or do i just gotta stop believing everthing i hear?

k if u can use both p28 and p08, what the hell is the difference between the two? since they both work, and if ur saying a p28 is not made for a d15b, what the hell engine is it made for?

damn and i thought i knew something about hondas

and what makes the p08 better?? and what does IMO mean? is that short for lmao or something?

 

If you going that route for a D15b Vtec, this is the same set up i have on my rex (HF).

The motor:
Look all over the net, im sure you can get a motor for under $400.

The ECU:
Those 500 people that told you a P28 ECU is needed. They are +100% correct thats the best ECU to run the D15 Vtec. and its very tunable from what i hear since its obd1.

The Tranny:
you have a STD, go to the doctor. j/k you shouldnt have a problem with the tranny.

If you need an SI tranny, its highly recommended
to use it for the d15 powerband. But not neccesary if you really want the SI tranny or even an EX tranny (Good for Turbo) thats not a bad idea to look into. depending on your budget too.

As far as LSD goes, those are rare and are hard to come by (stock wise) if your looking into that i hear Quaife (dont know if i spelled it right?) has an LSD for D series transmission, but thats a $400 dollar investment, up to you if you want to get one.

I reccomend to save up at least $1500 for this swap. The reason i say this is beacause you will need to be on this budget to cover everything you will need plus misc stuff. other then that you should be ok. GL = Good Luck

IMO= In MY Opinion
IMHO = In my honest opinion
EMO= you are teh new gay! j/k...im bored. ask more Q's if you have any, ill do my best to help you out.

 

i worked at superiortradinginternational.com, and sometimes you get modded engines/transmissions in...and i picked out the tranny i saw with lsd.

THE ECU: P28 is for the d16z6-92-95 usdm civic SI

P08 is for the d15b, its a jdm ecu...the p28 will control the d15b and run it fine but you WILL get more power out of the engine by running the p08

P08=obd1
p28=obd1
that alone should tell you that SSJsubgeta doesnt know what hes talking about


but if you have any more questions ask me

 

you should calm down and not listen to everyone. like the this guy said
p28= obd1 usdm civic si d16z6 sohc vtec 125hp
p08=obd1 jdm (jap domestic market) d15b sohc vtec 130hp.
the d15b is smaller by displacement and has a more aggressive cam, so the p08 has more agressive maping and timing. it also utilizes a 1- wired 02 sensor. now the p28 uses a 4-wired 02 sensor. all the obd1 motors came with a hydro tranny. obd0 usdm civics came with a cble tranns. i would recomend a p08, im running a p28 but am gonna change to p08 cuz motor runs a lil on the rich side. and i run an si tranny since i have an si. u should run the si cuz its alot more sporty of a tranny. just grab a brew and chill out. dont losse ur pants over this ****. just a lil more research and u'll be fine.

 

relax man. there's a p28 for usdm, edm, and jdm 1.6 sohc vtec motors. ssjsubgeta is pretty much on the ball with his info. the p08 will in fact run the d15 motor better because it is the ecu made to run it factory. the p28 can be chipped to run w/ a p08 fuel map just the same though and vice-versa. finding a d series stock lsd tranny is like like finding a needle in a haystack. they're out there though. and cr-x-91 has the rest. best of fortune to you.

 

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THE ECU: P28 is for the d16z6-92-95 usdm civic SI

P08 is for the d15b, its a jdm ecu...the p28 will control the d15b and run it fine but you WILL get more power out of the engine by running the p08

P08=obd1
p28=obd1
that alone should tell you that SSJsubgeta doesnt know what hes talking about


but if you have any more questions ask me</TD></TR></TABLE>

Excuse me from having diffrent opinion on this matter. Im no expert but im pretty sure you seen and posted on this P08 Vs. P28 ECU thread, theres diffrent opinions, right? everyone is entitled to theirs.

Im well aware the fact the P08 is the corresponding ECU for a D15b Vtec. I only recommended a P28 for its tunable capebility. I dont see were i was wrong? or is it because i didnt state that diffrences in the ECU's (One being USDM and JDM). I guess no one is perfect. But either way he is converting to OBD-1 so with that said to the maker of this thread, (But im pretty sure Outlaw will answer the same.) The P08 is a 1 wire o2 sensor as where the P28 is a 4 wire o2 sensor.

 

you said the p08 wasnt obd1

---- p08 ---
A) 1 wire o2 sensor Stock
B) More aggressive timing/fuel maps for a smaller displacement motor
C) Gas milage will be much better w/p08 than if you run a p28 on a d15b
D) p08's can be chipped but it is not the same as chipping a p28 (different hardware)
E) P28s can be chipped and run p08 maps and timing....

 

well, ok looks like everything is cleared up on all the issues i had yesterday. just that when i thought i had everything together and this guy tells me im gonna need new axles and hubs, omfg that tripped me out cuz i couldnt afford it.

and um ya, my budget is about $1400, thats kinda close to 1500 lol

and ya i was planning on going the 90-91 si tranny route, just deciding on ecu's. dont know whether to go with P08 or P28, u guys are saying p28 is better for boost? which one would be better when hondata is being used as well? and um if the P08 uses a 1 wire 02 sensor and p28 uses a 4, guessing that just means more wiring that im not going to know how to do, but thats what my teachers at the college and ht are for :D. but um if both ecu's can be used for the same motor, why does the P28 take 4 wires for the oxygen sensor, or am i just retarded and not comprehending this? cuz i am horrible with wiring.

and yes i have been researching and searching for the cheapest possible d15b i can find, but it doesnt do you any good if 1 site maybe cheaper than another if they charge more for shipping, so all and all with shipping, ill probly still end up getting the motor itself for around 600. but would you guys recommend me getting new mounts? cuz underneath the car, the drivers side rocker panels are rusted to ****, ive had a hard time putting the thing in the air, and it just scares teachers when its in the air, cuz the hoists arms or w/e u call them arent hitting anything but rusted metal on that one side. but other than that, both quarter panels are rusted, the drivers side one is rusted to hell and back, but passenger side isnt bad. but dont know if any of that rust has to do with the engine bay. but my teacher said new mounts wouldnt be a bad idea cuz the rubber things on them or w/e can go bad and that wouldnt be good for ur motor.

but ya, you guys solved most of my problems, sorry for my previos posts, i was an idiot in a lot of those, and extremely pissed in the last one, but im calm now. and if i got anything else ill give ya a holler.

thx to everyone that helped!!

 

run the p08 so you dont have to convert to 4 wire

 

One thing, someone mentioned the std axles will work which they will but they won't hold up very long. I have a sohc zc motor and remanufactured std axles from autozone and they only lasted 3 months. Mind you that I never did burnouts but i did beat on it. They could have been defective axles i guess but they worked fine at first but started to click badly after 2 1/2 months of driving on them. I switched to integra axles/hubs and have had no problems. You can find them cheap at a junkyard plus the rotors and axles are a little beefier. just my 2 cents.
except you need the dohc zc trans for that.



Modified by civicflow at 4:01 PM 2/7/2006

 

hmm, good to know, thx for heads up

 

also you could always use your std axles as a core for integra or si axles at autozone if you can get someone who doesn't know about hondas, that is what i did when i bought the integra ones. i just realized that i have the dohc zc trans and the integra axles use the zc half shaft so you won't be able to use that with an si tranny. so get the si hubs and axles if you want to upgrade. my bad i think i need more sleep