itr vs evo RS - driving impressions
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itr vs evo RS - driving impressions
well my gf's itr is going to be paid off soon and she's thinking about getting a new car for her long commute (we're buying a house now too). in looking around at the new car market, I can't justify much other than the evo.
Anyway, a friend of mine had an evo 8 gsr and decided to get a red evo 9 RS this time around (this is his third evo). Another friend has an evo 8 RS, so we've gone through several comparo's and driving impressions.
I'll give some quick impressions of the evo 9 RS. My experience is with honda's for the most part, my turbo itr, my swapped and mildly built hatch, and other swapped crx's, k20 eg's, and s2k's:
The evo 9 RS feels like a honda to me. It is very much like the type R in that it is the gutted and stripped down model with only the essentials to go fast on track.
The ride is nice and rough like an itr (but even more brutal). The suspension is very stiff. The car is quite solid and stiff.
The shifter feels very good - as a matter of fact, the driving feel and feedback + the shifter feel very much like a honda.
I could compare the evo to an s2k easily. The handling feels very similar to me.
But of course it seats 4, and so daily livability is high in that regard.
I like the amber and red interior gauge lighting.
The seating position is a little high for my liking - but perhaps that is due to having aftermarket seats in my itr.....
The brakes don't stop near as well as my itr and the feel isn't great.
The acceleration is lethargic - especially under 3k. I'm used to driving around in 2nd gear in my itr and that just isn't possible in the evo from an almost stop. (fwiw, my itr has a greddy 18g turbo kit and ats 4.9 final drive, so your car may be as lethargic as the evo under 3k.) It just doesn't pull at all untill after 2500 or so. And then it just goes... HARD!
The redline is lower than the itr (mine is at 9200) and it's hard to go down to 7500. But the car pulls very nicely once over 3k. It isn't lacking in power or make you wonder if you'll be able to speed up and merge with traffic.
Anyway, the awd is confidence inspiring, and I really like the 9's wheels and tires.
The brembo's look nice behind that combo as well.
Overall, it's #1 on my list for when we get a new daily.
They also seem very reliable - my buddies haven't had any problems except for getting hit by careless drivers.
Anyway, a friend of mine had an evo 8 gsr and decided to get a red evo 9 RS this time around (this is his third evo). Another friend has an evo 8 RS, so we've gone through several comparo's and driving impressions.
I'll give some quick impressions of the evo 9 RS. My experience is with honda's for the most part, my turbo itr, my swapped and mildly built hatch, and other swapped crx's, k20 eg's, and s2k's:
The evo 9 RS feels like a honda to me. It is very much like the type R in that it is the gutted and stripped down model with only the essentials to go fast on track.
The ride is nice and rough like an itr (but even more brutal). The suspension is very stiff. The car is quite solid and stiff.
The shifter feels very good - as a matter of fact, the driving feel and feedback + the shifter feel very much like a honda.
I could compare the evo to an s2k easily. The handling feels very similar to me.
But of course it seats 4, and so daily livability is high in that regard.
I like the amber and red interior gauge lighting.
The seating position is a little high for my liking - but perhaps that is due to having aftermarket seats in my itr.....
The brakes don't stop near as well as my itr and the feel isn't great.
The acceleration is lethargic - especially under 3k. I'm used to driving around in 2nd gear in my itr and that just isn't possible in the evo from an almost stop. (fwiw, my itr has a greddy 18g turbo kit and ats 4.9 final drive, so your car may be as lethargic as the evo under 3k.) It just doesn't pull at all untill after 2500 or so. And then it just goes... HARD!
The redline is lower than the itr (mine is at 9200) and it's hard to go down to 7500. But the car pulls very nicely once over 3k. It isn't lacking in power or make you wonder if you'll be able to speed up and merge with traffic.
Anyway, the awd is confidence inspiring, and I really like the 9's wheels and tires.
The brembo's look nice behind that combo as well.
Overall, it's #1 on my list for when we get a new daily.
They also seem very reliable - my buddies haven't had any problems except for getting hit by careless drivers.
Re: itr vs evo RS - driving impressions (Black R)
I agree with you about handling like the s2k.
However I don't think the shifter in the VIII is anywhere close to as nice as Honda.
However I don't think the shifter in the VIII is anywhere close to as nice as Honda.
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I agree on the handling similar to an S2K...but you should test drive the MR. WOW, makes the heavy pig of a car feel like a big go kart. Steering input is so exact and on point, I love it.
Ive looked into the RS 9 as well. Really like the stripped down "ITR version". But honestly, I dont like the EVO shift feel compared to my R. It feels more like a VW to me, notchy and sloppy, and makes quick shifts easy to miss until you get used to it. Even the MR shift feel isnt that great IMO. And compared to my sisters 5 speed EVO, I dont think I could drive a 5 speed EVO too long without getting pissed off.
If I had the choice of EVO, I would go for the MR simply because the shift feel is better than the 5 speed and it has better suspension. IIRC, the RS does not come in 6 speed. A stripped down MR version would be hot.
It really is tough to beat the bang for the buck when it comes to the EVO, especially if you get a good deal. The MR is a bit over priced, but the RS starts a round 27 which is very reasonable IMO. An ECU upgrade easily changes the power curve and turbo lag is almost non existent. Its pretty fun spinning all 4 wheels.
Ive looked into the RS 9 as well. Really like the stripped down "ITR version". But honestly, I dont like the EVO shift feel compared to my R. It feels more like a VW to me, notchy and sloppy, and makes quick shifts easy to miss until you get used to it. Even the MR shift feel isnt that great IMO. And compared to my sisters 5 speed EVO, I dont think I could drive a 5 speed EVO too long without getting pissed off.
If I had the choice of EVO, I would go for the MR simply because the shift feel is better than the 5 speed and it has better suspension. IIRC, the RS does not come in 6 speed. A stripped down MR version would be hot.
It really is tough to beat the bang for the buck when it comes to the EVO, especially if you get a good deal. The MR is a bit over priced, but the RS starts a round 27 which is very reasonable IMO. An ECU upgrade easily changes the power curve and turbo lag is almost non existent. Its pretty fun spinning all 4 wheels.
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i work for a mitsubishi dealer in tampa fl. i will tell you first hand the evo is a great car ... i get to touch them on a regular basis for maint. and upgrades and they are really fun cars ... there are some things that the evo offers however that you will pay dearly for in the long run and you might want to take them into consideration , ... will not slam the co. i work for on here but i would be more than happy to tell you all the pro's and cons. via im .... hit me up ! 
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if you want better braking on the Evo , consider a model with ABS (unlike the RS model) ..
you will be suprise how hard you can brake and how much you can benefit with the ABS (especially at the track) ..
as far as how the shifter feels, well... i'm very happy with it, feels great. very similar to an itr , IMO.. but it has been awhile so i might be wrong
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you can't go wrong with the evo, but i would pick (again LOL) I would choose something above the RS model, since it doesn't have ABS, and IMO if you plan to track the car, i would take advantage of such amazing system..
you will be suprise how hard you can brake and how much you can benefit with the ABS (especially at the track) ..
as far as how the shifter feels, well... i'm very happy with it, feels great. very similar to an itr , IMO.. but it has been awhile so i might be wrong
.. you can't go wrong with the evo, but i would pick (again LOL) I would choose something above the RS model, since it doesn't have ABS, and IMO if you plan to track the car, i would take advantage of such amazing system..
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It's still a pity that mitsu cannot implement AYC into the US evos.
Not a big fan of evos because the US version is basically a lancer with AWD and turbo. The JDM Evos has so much more to offer. You're better off getting the 06 STi because it demolishes the Evo 9 in performance.
Not a big fan of evos because the US version is basically a lancer with AWD and turbo. The JDM Evos has so much more to offer. You're better off getting the 06 STi because it demolishes the Evo 9 in performance.
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Re: (DC2IntegraTypeR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2IntegraTypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not a big fan of evos because the US version is basically a lancer with AWD and turbo. The JDM Evos has so much more to offer. You're better off getting the 06 STi because it demolishes the Evo 9 in performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What planet are you from? Maybe if you are comparing the lancer you find at Hertz Rent-a-Car.
Not a big fan of evos because the US version is basically a lancer with AWD and turbo. The JDM Evos has so much more to offer. You're better off getting the 06 STi because it demolishes the Evo 9 in performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What planet are you from? Maybe if you are comparing the lancer you find at Hertz Rent-a-Car.
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Re: itr vs evo RS - driving impressions (Black R)
I say sell all your ITRs and keep the hatchie as a fun little project and get your wifey an '06 M5 V10 510HP 7-Speed SMG Transmission. 
I seriously think Amy would agree.
I seriously think Amy would agree.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2IntegraTypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're better off getting the 06 STi because it demolishes the Evo 9 in performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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What planet are you from? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Based on his above comment he has no clue what he's saying.
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Based on his above comment he has no clue what he's saying.
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Has anyone been turned off from the Evo just because of Mitsubishi's recent corporate issues?
I only have one mitsubishi dealer near me and its a joint Mitsubish/Dodge dealership and they don't have any Evo's in stock because its "a special car that that mitsubishi doesn't make too many of".
The guy had the nerve to tell me "IF you're going to buy the car, I may be able to pull some strings and get one here by march.. maybe"
Since when the hell is an evo a limited production car? I can't even test drive one anyone around here unless its at a used car dealer.
I know the car is amazing but have you ever looked at any of the evo brochures? Most of the photography is obviously photoshopped and poorly done... I'm not one to judge a car by the car company that created it but besides the Evo, the mitsubishi line sucks. Honda on the other hand is putting out some awesome cars.
I only have one mitsubishi dealer near me and its a joint Mitsubish/Dodge dealership and they don't have any Evo's in stock because its "a special car that that mitsubishi doesn't make too many of".
The guy had the nerve to tell me "IF you're going to buy the car, I may be able to pull some strings and get one here by march.. maybe"
Since when the hell is an evo a limited production car? I can't even test drive one anyone around here unless its at a used car dealer.
I know the car is amazing but have you ever looked at any of the evo brochures? Most of the photography is obviously photoshopped and poorly done... I'm not one to judge a car by the car company that created it but besides the Evo, the mitsubishi line sucks. Honda on the other hand is putting out some awesome cars.
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alex, one of the dealers over by me has a crap ton of them and they sell out of them quickly. Thats another reason I dont know if I would want one because soo many people have them. More EVOs than civics running around here its crazy. I dont think they are really limited with exception to the RS and MR model. But that was more of an issue the first year they came out, where dealers were only getting 1 or 2 per color for the year. I think now sales have been plenty successful (atleast in the Northeast anyway) that they arent too hard to find. God knows the NE is infested with them, I see them all over the place and the EVO forums are filled with people from the Northeast.
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i have a crush on the EVO MR. there was a white one ive seen at the local dealership when i passed by lastweek and i have to admit, i commited sin by "thinking" about how it would be if i traded in my beloved ITR. the prospect gave me mental images of pure driving bliss and delirium, but deep down the thought of giving up my R would gnaw it me forever 
lets just say that i'm impressed with how the itr with now almost 10-year old technology can still hold a flickering candle when compared to the modern landscape of some performance vehicles today...EVO included.
lets just say that i'm impressed with how the itr with now almost 10-year old technology can still hold a flickering candle when compared to the modern landscape of some performance vehicles today...EVO included.
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I have an Evo IX GSR. Actually one of the first in the states with one. I posted it on here a while back. My two friends were actually the first in the nation with them from Huntington Beach Mitsubishi but that's a different story. The IX is a completely different beast than the VIII is. The Mivec head and the new turbo helped it put out almost 25whp over previous models! It's making near 350whp on pump with bolt on's now! That's more than 03-04's with bolt on's and cams! It's an awesome car all around. The driving feel is unmatched and there's a reason why they call it the quickest steering production car. Honestly, word's can't explain how the feel is online. YOU HAVE TO DRIVE IT. http://forums.evolutionm.net/s...79970
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Modified by 99SiRacer at 11:06 AM 1/21/2006
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's making near 350whp on pump with bolt on's now! </TD></TR></TABLE>
What do you consider boltons? And I'm curious to see a dyno.
What do you consider boltons? And I'm curious to see a dyno.
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What do you consider boltons? And I'm curious to see a dyno.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Check the link I put in there. I'd consider bolt-on's what everyone else on that forum consider bolt-ons. Intake, exhaust ( 3inch downpipe, test pipe, and 3 inch piping ) manual boost controller, and an Ecutek flash WITHOUT CAMS. That link has dyno chart with cams but you get the idea. On the IX's they've been using the stock intake cam now to do the tuning and just throwing in one exhaust cam. For instance , that guy has one HKS 272 degree exhaust cam but I won't get to far into that. Look at the results!
One more for you without cams. That's Al, the owner of Dynoflash. http://forums.evolutionm.net/s...78802
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What do you consider boltons? And I'm curious to see a dyno.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Check the link I put in there. I'd consider bolt-on's what everyone else on that forum consider bolt-ons. Intake, exhaust ( 3inch downpipe, test pipe, and 3 inch piping ) manual boost controller, and an Ecutek flash WITHOUT CAMS. That link has dyno chart with cams but you get the idea. On the IX's they've been using the stock intake cam now to do the tuning and just throwing in one exhaust cam. For instance , that guy has one HKS 272 degree exhaust cam but I won't get to far into that. Look at the results!
One more for you without cams. That's Al, the owner of Dynoflash. http://forums.evolutionm.net/s...78802
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Re: itr vs evo RS - driving impressions (len)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by len »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say sell all your ITRs and keep the hatchie as a fun little project and get your wifey an '06 M5 V10 510HP 7-Speed SMG Transmission.
I seriously think Amy would agree. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Len, why stop there? Just get her a nice F1 and call it a day?
I seriously think Amy would agree.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Len, why stop there? Just get her a nice F1 and call it a day?
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I'm friends with three brothers. Two of them have EVO's and the other has an STI. Quite a family lol.
Both of the brothers with EVO's will tell you in a heart beat that if they were buying a car that they didn't plan on modding very heavily they would both be driving an STI like their younger brother. They both admit that the STI is a better daily driver, has a better interior, and a stronger drivetrain that you can actually rip on. Both of them admit that the EVO drivetrain puts that little thought in the back of your head that something really bad/expensive can happen. Also of note both of them have slight syncro issues.
It's an interesting perspective so I thought I'd share.
Both of the brothers with EVO's will tell you in a heart beat that if they were buying a car that they didn't plan on modding very heavily they would both be driving an STI like their younger brother. They both admit that the STI is a better daily driver, has a better interior, and a stronger drivetrain that you can actually rip on. Both of them admit that the EVO drivetrain puts that little thought in the back of your head that something really bad/expensive can happen. Also of note both of them have slight syncro issues.
It's an interesting perspective so I thought I'd share.
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There are three models of the evo. RS (stripped down), GSR (midline), and MR (pretty loaded).
</TD></TR></TABLE>There are three models of the evo. RS (stripped down), GSR (midline), and MR (pretty loaded).
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ActiveAero »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm friends with three brothers. Two of them have EVO's and the other has an STI. Quite a family lol.
Both of the brothers with EVO's will tell you in a heart beat that if they were buying a car that they didn't plan on modding very heavily they would both be driving an STI like their younger brother. They both admit that the STI is a better daily driver, has a better interior, and a stronger drivetrain that you can actually rip on. Both of them admit that the EVO drivetrain puts that little thought in the back of your head that something really bad/expensive can happen. Also of note both of them have slight syncro issues.
It's an interesting perspective so I thought I'd share.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I also know quite a few EVO/STI owners, and the car to heavily mod/go full race with is definetly the EVO. The STI has been improved every year since it was introduced, and is a great car in stock form. But it's detonation prone stock, let alone with raised boost levels. Cheaper to go really fast in an EVO, but if you want an indestructible car that doesn't really need to be modded the STI is the ticket.
Both of the brothers with EVO's will tell you in a heart beat that if they were buying a car that they didn't plan on modding very heavily they would both be driving an STI like their younger brother. They both admit that the STI is a better daily driver, has a better interior, and a stronger drivetrain that you can actually rip on. Both of them admit that the EVO drivetrain puts that little thought in the back of your head that something really bad/expensive can happen. Also of note both of them have slight syncro issues.
It's an interesting perspective so I thought I'd share.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I also know quite a few EVO/STI owners, and the car to heavily mod/go full race with is definetly the EVO. The STI has been improved every year since it was introduced, and is a great car in stock form. But it's detonation prone stock, let alone with raised boost levels. Cheaper to go really fast in an EVO, but if you want an indestructible car that doesn't really need to be modded the STI is the ticket.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SoCal ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are three models of the evo. RS (stripped down), GSR (midline), and MR (pretty loaded).</TD></TR></TABLE>
mr is fully loaded !
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2IntegraTypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's still a pity that mitsu cannot implement AYC into the US evos.
Not a big fan of evos because the US version is basically a lancer with AWD and turbo. The JDM Evos has so much more to offer. You're better off getting the 06 STi because it demolishes the Evo 9 in performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you have no clue what your talking about !
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Alexander »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Has anyone been turned off from the Evo just because of Mitsubishi's recent corporate issues?
I only have one mitsubishi dealer near me and its a joint Mitsubish/Dodge dealership and they don't have any Evo's in stock because its "a special car that that mitsubishi doesn't make too many of".
The guy had the nerve to tell me "IF you're going to buy the car, I may be able to pull some strings and get one here by march.. maybe"
Since when the hell is an evo a limited production car? I can't even test drive one anyone around here unless its at a used car dealer.
I know the car is amazing but have you ever looked at any of the evo brochures? Most of the photography is obviously photoshopped and poorly done... I'm not one to judge a car by the car company that created it but besides the Evo, the mitsubishi line sucks. Honda on the other hand is putting out some awesome cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
come to fl. my dealer has three on the lot right now ! red. , gunmetal , and yes...WHITE
mr is fully loaded !
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2IntegraTypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's still a pity that mitsu cannot implement AYC into the US evos.
Not a big fan of evos because the US version is basically a lancer with AWD and turbo. The JDM Evos has so much more to offer. You're better off getting the 06 STi because it demolishes the Evo 9 in performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you have no clue what your talking about !
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Alexander »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Has anyone been turned off from the Evo just because of Mitsubishi's recent corporate issues?
I only have one mitsubishi dealer near me and its a joint Mitsubish/Dodge dealership and they don't have any Evo's in stock because its "a special car that that mitsubishi doesn't make too many of".
The guy had the nerve to tell me "IF you're going to buy the car, I may be able to pull some strings and get one here by march.. maybe"
Since when the hell is an evo a limited production car? I can't even test drive one anyone around here unless its at a used car dealer.
I know the car is amazing but have you ever looked at any of the evo brochures? Most of the photography is obviously photoshopped and poorly done... I'm not one to judge a car by the car company that created it but besides the Evo, the mitsubishi line sucks. Honda on the other hand is putting out some awesome cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
come to fl. my dealer has three on the lot right now ! red. , gunmetal , and yes...WHITE
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having owned an ITR for quite some time and having owned my EVO for quite some time now as well, i have to say that the EVO is a great car. Honestly I don't have as much trust and confidence in the tranny as I did in the ITR, but I think thats a given. However, the car is amazing to drive, and has to be one of the best daily drivers out right now (thats somewhat affordable unlike the m5 that len mentioned lol) Its a great car in almost every aspect, and you can't really know just how well it drives until you drive it. For anyone that is considering purchasing one I highly recommend it