Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750?
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Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750?
Looking for some new tires for the R and have read a ton of posts and done a lot of searching. I'm kind of down to an expensive Bridgestone and a cheaper Kumho. Seems like a simple choice, but I've had 2-3 sets of Kumho 712's and just never was that impressed with them. I've had 2-3 sets of Azenis Sports, but I need a tire for daily driving, I will put a stickier tire on my second set of wheels in the summer.
My requirements:
ultra high performance summer tire (no snow here)
snappy turn in and "feel"
excellent rain performance
300+ tread life rating
AA traction
quieter than my bald Azenis!!
would prefer 195/55 but will consider 205/50
The RE750 is ranked #2 out of over 40 tires in customer reviews out of about 10 categories on Tirerack.com. 340 Tread life and AA. There is no 195/55 size and the 205/50 is $100 a tire.
The SPT is new and has no overall rankings yet, but the reviews that are there look good. They have a 195/55 size and it's only $64 a tire. 340 Tread life and AA. My only concern is lack of reviews, but I've never heard anything about the RE750 other than what I've read on Tirerack which is mosty from people diving their Lexus GS to work
I've also looked at others like the Yoko ES100 which is a couple bucks cheaper than the SPT but has a tread rating of 280. It also got much lower marks in every category than the Bridgestone, particularly in wet traction, noise, and tread life. I really wish the SPT was ranked so I could see where it lined up with the Yoko.
Has anyone here used the Kumho SPT or Bridgestone RE750? I don't want to get into a big tire debate, I've read all the issues. Mostly looking for people with direct experience with either of these tires. Again, this is for daily driving and rain, I don't need super high Azenis/Kumho MX/etc. grip, I'll save that for my track wheels.
thanks
edit: oops, meant 205/50, it was too early when I posted!
Modified by uncleben at 6:24 PM 1/16/2006
My requirements:
ultra high performance summer tire (no snow here)
snappy turn in and "feel"
excellent rain performance
300+ tread life rating
AA traction
quieter than my bald Azenis!!
would prefer 195/55 but will consider 205/50
The RE750 is ranked #2 out of over 40 tires in customer reviews out of about 10 categories on Tirerack.com. 340 Tread life and AA. There is no 195/55 size and the 205/50 is $100 a tire.
The SPT is new and has no overall rankings yet, but the reviews that are there look good. They have a 195/55 size and it's only $64 a tire. 340 Tread life and AA. My only concern is lack of reviews, but I've never heard anything about the RE750 other than what I've read on Tirerack which is mosty from people diving their Lexus GS to work
I've also looked at others like the Yoko ES100 which is a couple bucks cheaper than the SPT but has a tread rating of 280. It also got much lower marks in every category than the Bridgestone, particularly in wet traction, noise, and tread life. I really wish the SPT was ranked so I could see where it lined up with the Yoko.
Has anyone here used the Kumho SPT or Bridgestone RE750? I don't want to get into a big tire debate, I've read all the issues. Mostly looking for people with direct experience with either of these tires. Again, this is for daily driving and rain, I don't need super high Azenis/Kumho MX/etc. grip, I'll save that for my track wheels.
thanks
edit: oops, meant 205/50, it was too early when I posted!
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
Have RE750s on my car right now.
I had the (I think it was RE730) on before the 750s.
I got 3 years and around 55000 miles out of the 730s.
The 750s are being replaced after 1 year and 3 months because they were damaged in an accident. My opinion of the tires is that they are excellent for the first 10000-15000 miles or so and after that they get noisier, and mushier. I dont know what the correct technical term is to describe the feeling...
If I were spending MY money I would very very likely get the 750s again.
However, the insurance company gave me a nice settlement on the tires so I decided to try something different. I dont think the RE750 is a really a "ultra high performance summer" tire though, if thats what you want spend a little extra and get the RE010 or the S-03 pole position...
I cannot say anything about Kumho, except that Ive never used them, and likely never will.
I had the (I think it was RE730) on before the 750s.
I got 3 years and around 55000 miles out of the 730s.
The 750s are being replaced after 1 year and 3 months because they were damaged in an accident. My opinion of the tires is that they are excellent for the first 10000-15000 miles or so and after that they get noisier, and mushier. I dont know what the correct technical term is to describe the feeling...
If I were spending MY money I would very very likely get the 750s again.
However, the insurance company gave me a nice settlement on the tires so I decided to try something different. I dont think the RE750 is a really a "ultra high performance summer" tire though, if thats what you want spend a little extra and get the RE010 or the S-03 pole position...
I cannot say anything about Kumho, except that Ive never used them, and likely never will.
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
Basically, since you're concerned over tread wear for daily driving and you're getting stickier tires on a separate set of wheels, I would recommend either:
<u>(a) "Value-priced top of the line tires"</u>:
Kumho Ecsta MX 205/50-15 $80
Toyo T1-R 195/55-15 $87
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<u>(b) "Budget performance tires"</u>:
Kumho Ecsta SPT 195/55-15 ~$60
Yokohama ES100 195/55-15 ~$60
Dunlop Direzza DZ101 205/50-15 $45 (see below)
You'll get a bit better performance with (a), a bit longer treadlife and significantly lower purchase cost with (b).
Here's what I previously posted to Ben when he asked me about this in an IM:
Originally Posted by nsxtasy
I don't think the RE750 is what you're looking for. It's just not a very good tire for the money. Its performance is very similar to the Kumho Ecsta SPT and the Yokohama ES100, but it costs almost twice as much. There are better tires out there for the same money (see below)... and even those are not going to give you the feel of the RE010, not even close. Don't be swayed by those reviews; they're often biased by the expectations of who buys a particular tire. (Paying $100 for a tire "convinces you" that it's better than a $60-70 tire, even when it's not.)
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I realize the Azenis are expensive when you look at how frequently you have to replace them. Next step down in quality is something like the Bridgestone S-03, which is expensive like the RE010. Another tire worth considering in this same performance level is the Hankook RS-2 Z212; I'm not sure exactly how long it will last - it might wear as quick as the Azenis, I'm not sure - but it's grippy and it's priced similar to the Azenis (it's $85/tire in 205/50-15 at Discount Tire). They would be worth trying IMO. Another step down in performance (but still higher than the RE750 or ES100 or SPT) are the Kumho MX ($88/tire) and the Toyo T1-R (which actually comes in 195/55-15, $87/tire).
Bottom line, I think you're trying to find a tire that will give you the same awesome grip as the RE010 or the Azenis, but at a cheaper cost per mile (either cheaper purchase cost than the RE010, or longer treadlife than the Azenis) and you're probably not going to find all of that in one tire.
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you can't believe those treadwear ratings, especially when you compare between brands. Look at the Azenis, which has a rating of 200 but most folks get 9-12K miles, and the RE010, which has a rating of 140 but most folks get 15-20K. You would expect the ratings to be reversed.
If you don't mind lower performance in a budget tire like the RE750, then get the SPT or the ES100 and save the money. The RE750 really isn't any better. The SPT and ES100 are both very good for the money, both are great in rain, decent in the dry. The ES100 on my GS-R look like they're going to last about 45K miles (they're at 30K so far, still at 5/32" tread depth). The treadwear rating is 280 on the ES100, 340 on the SPT, FWIW. They're both around $60/tire in 195/55-15.
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I realize the Azenis are expensive when you look at how frequently you have to replace them. Next step down in quality is something like the Bridgestone S-03, which is expensive like the RE010. Another tire worth considering in this same performance level is the Hankook RS-2 Z212; I'm not sure exactly how long it will last - it might wear as quick as the Azenis, I'm not sure - but it's grippy and it's priced similar to the Azenis (it's $85/tire in 205/50-15 at Discount Tire). They would be worth trying IMO. Another step down in performance (but still higher than the RE750 or ES100 or SPT) are the Kumho MX ($88/tire) and the Toyo T1-R (which actually comes in 195/55-15, $87/tire).
Bottom line, I think you're trying to find a tire that will give you the same awesome grip as the RE010 or the Azenis, but at a cheaper cost per mile (either cheaper purchase cost than the RE010, or longer treadlife than the Azenis) and you're probably not going to find all of that in one tire.
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you can't believe those treadwear ratings, especially when you compare between brands. Look at the Azenis, which has a rating of 200 but most folks get 9-12K miles, and the RE010, which has a rating of 140 but most folks get 15-20K. You would expect the ratings to be reversed.
If you don't mind lower performance in a budget tire like the RE750, then get the SPT or the ES100 and save the money. The RE750 really isn't any better. The SPT and ES100 are both very good for the money, both are great in rain, decent in the dry. The ES100 on my GS-R look like they're going to last about 45K miles (they're at 30K so far, still at 5/32" tread depth). The treadwear rating is 280 on the ES100, 340 on the SPT, FWIW. They're both around $60/tire in 195/55-15.
EDIT: Deleted reference to mistyped size.
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
What rims?
if you have 15x6.5 then look in to MXs in 205/50-15. They last and provide great rain traction along with excellent track endurance.
I don't know how they would work on a smaller rim.
My choice for the past three years.
if you have 15x6.5 then look in to MXs in 205/50-15. They last and provide great rain traction along with excellent track endurance.
I don't know how they would work on a smaller rim.
My choice for the past three years.
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (Bbasso)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MXs in 205/50-15
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My choice for the past three years.</TD></TR></TABLE>
How long (how many miles) did each set last you before they wore out?
BTW, their price at the Tire Rack dropped from $88 to $80 in the past few days (which is why there's a discrepancy in my post above).
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My choice for the past three years.</TD></TR></TABLE>
How long (how many miles) did each set last you before they wore out?
BTW, their price at the Tire Rack dropped from $88 to $80 in the past few days (which is why there's a discrepancy in my post above).
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (nsxtasy)
2 sets in three years... the first set lasted til this past summer, so atleast 20k miles.
I don't keep track of tire wear, the big expo burnout was on the first set and a few track events.
I don't keep track of tire wear, the big expo burnout was on the first set and a few track events.
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (andyt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andyt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have RE750s on my car right now.
I had the (I think it was RE730) on before the 750s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Did you ever run on RE010's and if so how did they compare?
Have you run any other tires? (again, for comparison)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got 3 years and around 55000 miles out of the 730s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wow!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My opinion of the tires is that they are excellent for the first 10000-15000 miles or so and after that they get noisier, and mushier. I dont know what the correct technical term is to describe the feeling...</TD></TR></TABLE>
But you didn't experience the same with the 730's?
I had the (I think it was RE730) on before the 750s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Did you ever run on RE010's and if so how did they compare?
Have you run any other tires? (again, for comparison)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got 3 years and around 55000 miles out of the 730s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
wow!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My opinion of the tires is that they are excellent for the first 10000-15000 miles or so and after that they get noisier, and mushier. I dont know what the correct technical term is to describe the feeling...</TD></TR></TABLE>
But you didn't experience the same with the 730's?
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know if you meant 205/55-15, but the usual alternative to the stock 195/55-15 size is 205/50-15.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup, brain fart!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Basically, since you're concerned over tread wear for daily driving and you're getting stickier tires on a separate set of wheels, I would recommend either:
<u>(a) "Value-priced top of the line tires"</u>:
Kumho Ecsta MX 205/50-15 $80
Toyo T1-R 195/55-15 $87
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I'm scratching my head on that comment. Do you mean I should put these on the second set of wheels for track tires? Because these tires are comparable to the Azenis sports I have been rolling on which I don't want for a daily again, I simply don't need that grip on the street. I also don't like throwing money away which is what I've been doing driving around town on a track tire (well, non R compound anyway) and them expiring in 8-9k miles. I won't argue or deny some people get more life, but I haven't on either set so that's why I'm looking for something to last longer.
I'm also not necessarily looking for a "budget tire", at least *if* the old saying "you get what you pay for" holds up with tires too. I don't mind paying $100/tire if it's going to meet all my criteria.
I also have run Kumho's twice before and they were just so bland. That's why I'm looking for direct feedback for those that have used the SPT since there are so little reviews.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dunlop Direzza DZ101 205/50-15 $45 (see below)</TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess I forgot to check out the Dunlop on Tirerack when you first messaged me. That's an attractive price for a name brand tire as well. But it has a 1+ lower point rating on the reviews for wet and dry traction on Tirerack. Still in the top 10 though but with much less miles reported.
User ratings/reviews aren't the end all to beat all when considering a purchase of any product, but I guess what made the RE750 so attractive was the sheer number of good things said about it. That's what I'm look for here, someone with some direct experience with the tire with prior tire comparison as well.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What rims?
if you have 15x6.5 then look in to MXs in 205/50-15. They last and provide great rain traction along with excellent track endurance.
I don't know how they would work on a smaller rim.
My choice for the past three years.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Running the stock ITR 6" wheel. One of these days I will sell my second set of ITR wheels for a 15x7 for the track. Several people have told me the Azenis snap response is greatly improved on a rim with adaquate width. I'm sure the MX wouldn't be much of a different story.
I'm not surprised to hear how much life you've gotten since some have achieved that with the Azenis, but either way I'm looking to do better than 2 sets in 3 years because that's only a few more months than I've gotten with the Azenis.
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I'm kind of leaning towards 195/55 just to get back to a stock size which would eliminate the RE750 and some other choices as well. I wish the RE750's were in that size, I would have bought them already.
Anyone else running the RE750 or the Kumho SPT?
yup, brain fart!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Basically, since you're concerned over tread wear for daily driving and you're getting stickier tires on a separate set of wheels, I would recommend either:
<u>(a) "Value-priced top of the line tires"</u>:
Kumho Ecsta MX 205/50-15 $80
Toyo T1-R 195/55-15 $87
</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm scratching my head on that comment. Do you mean I should put these on the second set of wheels for track tires? Because these tires are comparable to the Azenis sports I have been rolling on which I don't want for a daily again, I simply don't need that grip on the street. I also don't like throwing money away which is what I've been doing driving around town on a track tire (well, non R compound anyway) and them expiring in 8-9k miles. I won't argue or deny some people get more life, but I haven't on either set so that's why I'm looking for something to last longer.
I'm also not necessarily looking for a "budget tire", at least *if* the old saying "you get what you pay for" holds up with tires too. I don't mind paying $100/tire if it's going to meet all my criteria.
I also have run Kumho's twice before and they were just so bland. That's why I'm looking for direct feedback for those that have used the SPT since there are so little reviews.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dunlop Direzza DZ101 205/50-15 $45 (see below)</TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess I forgot to check out the Dunlop on Tirerack when you first messaged me. That's an attractive price for a name brand tire as well. But it has a 1+ lower point rating on the reviews for wet and dry traction on Tirerack. Still in the top 10 though but with much less miles reported.
User ratings/reviews aren't the end all to beat all when considering a purchase of any product, but I guess what made the RE750 so attractive was the sheer number of good things said about it. That's what I'm look for here, someone with some direct experience with the tire with prior tire comparison as well.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What rims?
if you have 15x6.5 then look in to MXs in 205/50-15. They last and provide great rain traction along with excellent track endurance.
I don't know how they would work on a smaller rim.
My choice for the past three years.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Running the stock ITR 6" wheel. One of these days I will sell my second set of ITR wheels for a 15x7 for the track. Several people have told me the Azenis snap response is greatly improved on a rim with adaquate width. I'm sure the MX wouldn't be much of a different story.
I'm not surprised to hear how much life you've gotten since some have achieved that with the Azenis, but either way I'm looking to do better than 2 sets in 3 years because that's only a few more months than I've gotten with the Azenis.
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I'm kind of leaning towards 195/55 just to get back to a stock size which would eliminate the RE750 and some other choices as well. I wish the RE750's were in that size, I would have bought them already.
Anyone else running the RE750 or the Kumho SPT?
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (andyt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andyt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My opinion of the tires is that they are excellent for the first 10000-15000 miles or so and after that they get noisier, and mushier. I dont know what the correct technical term is to describe the feeling...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe the correct technical term is "noisier, and mushier".
I believe the correct technical term is "noisier, and mushier".
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
I bought the Kumho SPT's today and they are very quiet so far. The salesperson at Butler Tire put them on a 911 Turbo and said they performed beautifully, a marginal sacrifice in dry grip compared to the Ecsta MXs. But in return, substantially better wet grip and longer treadwear.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bought the Kumho SPT's today and they are very quiet so far. The salesperson at Butler Tire put them on a 911 Turbo and said they performed beautifully, a marginal sacrifice in dry grip compared to the Ecsta MXs. But in return, substantially better wet grip and longer treadwear. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Sweet. A few questions:
1) What car?
2) What size tire and wheel?
3) What tire did you have before, MX?
4) Have you pushed it yet?
5) How is the snappy feel (try jerking the steering wheel back and forth, does it feel numb at all?) and turn-in?
Sweet. A few questions:
1) What car?
2) What size tire and wheel?
3) What tire did you have before, MX?
4) Have you pushed it yet?
5) How is the snappy feel (try jerking the steering wheel back and forth, does it feel numb at all?) and turn-in?
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uncleben »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sweet. A few questions:
1) What car?
2) What size tire and wheel?
3) What tire did you have before, MX?
4) Have you pushed it yet?
5) How is the snappy feel (try jerking the steering wheel back and forth, does it feel numb at all?) and turn-in?</TD></TR></TABLE>
1995 BMW M3
225/45/17
245/40/17
AVS ES100, ES100s are mediocre tires IMHO.
No
Turn-in is pretty crisp, but of course, that could be the car...
1) What car?
2) What size tire and wheel?
3) What tire did you have before, MX?
4) Have you pushed it yet?
5) How is the snappy feel (try jerking the steering wheel back and forth, does it feel numb at all?) and turn-in?</TD></TR></TABLE>
1995 BMW M3
225/45/17
245/40/17
AVS ES100, ES100s are mediocre tires IMHO.
No
Turn-in is pretty crisp, but of course, that could be the car...
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uncleben »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you ever run on RE010's and if so how did they compare?
Have you run any other tires? (again, for comparison)
wow!
But you didn't experience the same with the 730's?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Only had RE750s and RE730s.
I have no idea what the "good" tires are like.
I've driven/ridden on Kumhos and the ES100s in someone elses car, and I just didn't like them. I dont know...tires are a tough decision for me.
I didnt like many of the options.
So my final decision was.... Advan Neova
Have you run any other tires? (again, for comparison)
wow!
But you didn't experience the same with the 730's?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Only had RE750s and RE730s.
I have no idea what the "good" tires are like.
I've driven/ridden on Kumhos and the ES100s in someone elses car, and I just didn't like them. I dont know...tires are a tough decision for me.
I didnt like many of the options.
So my final decision was.... Advan Neova
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by andyt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So my final decision was.... Advan Neova</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not in a size for 15" wheels on an ITR, unless you're getting them from an importer other than a regular Yokohama dealer...
Not in a size for 15" wheels on an ITR, unless you're getting them from an importer other than a regular Yokohama dealer...
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (nsxtasy)
Yeah, couldn't resist.
They were more than the 750s and cheaper than 010s or S-03s.
When they wear out I will probably try one of the better Bridgestones.
They were more than the 750s and cheaper than 010s or S-03s.
When they wear out I will probably try one of the better Bridgestones.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1995 BMW M3
225/45/17
245/40/17
AVS ES100, ES100s are mediocre tires IMHO.
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Turn-in is pretty crisp, but of course, that could be the car...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Curses, I was hoping it was going to be an ITR with stock wheels
Thanks for the reply though. Damnit, I need a car with 245 width tires. heh
Andyt- where'd you get them and how much? What size did you go with?
225/45/17
245/40/17
AVS ES100, ES100s are mediocre tires IMHO.
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Turn-in is pretty crisp, but of course, that could be the car...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Curses, I was hoping it was going to be an ITR with stock wheels
Thanks for the reply though. Damnit, I need a car with 245 width tires. heh
Andyt- where'd you get them and how much? What size did you go with?
Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (andyt)
I've got the SPT's in 205-50-15 on my Civic coupe and for the price, I'm very happy with them. Note that these replaced thoroughly worn out Kumho 711's which are, well, cheap. This is a daily driver (60 miles a day) and they perform great on the mountain back roads that I take home but I don't race/track on them. They're also a pretty quiet tire.
It did rain pretty heavily here in S. CA over the past few weeks and they performed great in the wet, channeling water effectively and didn't feel slippery, but these only have about 5K miles on them so far so the tread is still thick.
I have a set of 16" rims with 205-45-16 ES100's on them and I find those tires very loud and don't they seem to offer a performance edge over the SPT's. Not quite an apples to apples comparison but hope this helps!
It did rain pretty heavily here in S. CA over the past few weeks and they performed great in the wet, channeling water effectively and didn't feel slippery, but these only have about 5K miles on them so far so the tread is still thick.
I have a set of 16" rims with 205-45-16 ES100's on them and I find those tires very loud and don't they seem to offer a performance edge over the SPT's. Not quite an apples to apples comparison but hope this helps!
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (Pravo2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pravo2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've got the SPT's in 205-50-15 on my Civic coupe and for the price, I'm very happy with them. Note that these replaced thoroughly worn out Kumho 711's which are, well, cheap. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks! How do the SPT's compare to the 711's when they were new?
Thanks! How do the SPT's compare to the 711's when they were new?
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uncleben »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks! How do the SPT's compare to the 711's when they were new?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like he said, the 711 is "cheap". Great description. The 711 is a truly crappy tire whose only redeeming feature is its low price. Keep in mind the Kumho lineup and how the tires perform, which looks something like this:
MX > SPT > 712 > 711
The performance difference in each step gets larger as you move from left to right.
Like he said, the 711 is "cheap". Great description. The 711 is a truly crappy tire whose only redeeming feature is its low price. Keep in mind the Kumho lineup and how the tires perform, which looks something like this:
MX > SPT > 712 > 711
The performance difference in each step gets larger as you move from left to right.
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (MAFA)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MAFA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1995 BMW M3
225/45/17
245/40/17</TD></TR></TABLE>
Staggered tire sizes on an E36
225/45/17
245/40/17</TD></TR></TABLE>
Staggered tire sizes on an E36
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uncleben »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Running the stock ITR 6" wheel. One of these days I will sell my second set of ITR wheels for a 15x7 for the track. Several people have told me the Azenis snap response is greatly improved on a rim with adequate width. I'm sure the MX wouldn't be much of a different story.
I'm not surprised to hear how much life you've gotten since some have achieved that with the Azenis, but either way I'm looking to do better than 2 sets in 3 years because that's only a few more months than I've gotten with the Azenis. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I was not clear... the first set of MXs lasted 3 years (about 20K+ miles) and Now I'm on the second set.
Now as for having the MXs on 15x7 wheels... I had them mounted on my kosei before I put them on the 6.5 rotas and the feeling was not right. they looked like they were too small for the 7inch and were not square.
they do fit (IMO) just right on the 6.5 rim.
Who ever says that MXs don't have excellent rain capabilities has not driven them. But I'll tell ya one thing- don't try them in snow.
I would and will continue to recommend them to everyone, that is if there is no snow to factor in ...
And to increase the turn-in feeling on them... Raise the psi to 35 - 37psi simple as that.
Running the stock ITR 6" wheel. One of these days I will sell my second set of ITR wheels for a 15x7 for the track. Several people have told me the Azenis snap response is greatly improved on a rim with adequate width. I'm sure the MX wouldn't be much of a different story.
I'm not surprised to hear how much life you've gotten since some have achieved that with the Azenis, but either way I'm looking to do better than 2 sets in 3 years because that's only a few more months than I've gotten with the Azenis. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I was not clear... the first set of MXs lasted 3 years (about 20K+ miles) and Now I'm on the second set.
Now as for having the MXs on 15x7 wheels... I had them mounted on my kosei before I put them on the 6.5 rotas and the feeling was not right. they looked like they were too small for the 7inch and were not square.
they do fit (IMO) just right on the 6.5 rim.
Who ever says that MXs don't have excellent rain capabilities has not driven them. But I'll tell ya one thing- don't try them in snow.
I would and will continue to recommend them to everyone, that is if there is no snow to factor in ...
And to increase the turn-in feeling on them... Raise the psi to 35 - 37psi simple as that.
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dunlop Direzza DZ101 205/50-15 $45 (see below)</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a really good price!!! I'm going to buy a seat at that price!!!
And fwiw, the Hankook Ventus Hrii H405 are $47 each.
Which should I get?
That's at http://www.edgeracing.com. WOW!
I have not affiliation or anything with this company, but damn if you need some tires for your daily, definitely check them out.
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Dunlop Direzza DZ101 205/50-15 $45 (see below)</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a really good price!!! I'm going to buy a seat at that price!!!
And fwiw, the Hankook Ventus Hrii H405 are $47 each.
Which should I get?
That's at http://www.edgeracing.com. WOW!
I have not affiliation or anything with this company, but damn if you need some tires for your daily, definitely check them out.
Modified by Black R at 3:38 PM 1/17/2006
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (Black R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the Hankook Ventus Hrii H405 are $47 each.
Which should I get?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would get the Dunlop...
Which should I get?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I would get the Dunlop...
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (Bbasso)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was not clear... the first set of MXs lasted 3 years (about 20K+ miles) and Now I'm on the second set.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's pretty good for a tire rated with a treadlife of only 220 and supposedly comparable to the stickiness of the Azenis. How hard would you say you are on the tires? How many track days did you do on the first set that lasted you 20k miles?
That's pretty good for a tire rated with a treadlife of only 220 and supposedly comparable to the stickiness of the Azenis. How hard would you say you are on the tires? How many track days did you do on the first set that lasted you 20k miles?
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Re: Anyone try the Kumho SPT? How about Bridgestone RE750? (uncleben)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uncleben »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's pretty good for a tire rated with a treadlife of only 220 and supposedly comparable to the stickiness of the Azenis.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Kumho MX is not comparable to the stickiness of the Azenis. Not even close. Heck, the MX isn't even as sticky as the best street tires around, like the Bridgestone S-03 or the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. It's not bad for the money, though, as a small step up from the budget performance tires like the SPT or the ES100.
The Kumho MX is not comparable to the stickiness of the Azenis. Not even close. Heck, the MX isn't even as sticky as the best street tires around, like the Bridgestone S-03 or the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. It's not bad for the money, though, as a small step up from the budget performance tires like the SPT or the ES100.