My goal for my Civic is 200whp N/A.. What would be the best way to acheive this via a stock b16a1 motor? I already have RSR Exmag Exhaust, and a pos short ram. I'm looking at buying some Crower Stage 2 cams. What else should I look at?

Or is this an unrealistic goal on a stock b16a1? I was thinking about pulling a b18 or b20 block. Would this be cheaper than the mods I'd need to invest into my b16 to pull 200whp?

 

Closest B16 I've seen to 200whp was 194whp, and he spent ALOT of money.

Get a 1.8 or 2.0 L block. CTR pistons, get compression to 12:1, high aggressive cams, lightened flywheel, cam gears adjustable, springs/retainers/valves, P&P the head, a extensively tuned computer OBD1; the works!

We got a stock bore/stroke B18C1 to get 218whp. Ran 12.3 on the 1/4 mile street car.

Saw the same setup on a B20B block which got 238whp.

 

ya good luck on a stock b16. I would say that its almost impossible. Not impossible but very unlikely that you will do it. you need to get inside of that motor.

 

Haha, I didn't think so.. How much work is it to mate the higher displacement blocks to the b16 head? What kind of money would I be investing, beyond the block itself?

 

Changing blocks will help a ton!
It is doable but with alot of funds or shorter powerband.
Omni has a DVD how to if you really are about doing it on a b16 this is a good investment.

In your shoes I would wonder over to the all motor area and search for a while lots of mild lsvtecs or gsr setups running 200 and more.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Closest B16 I've seen to 200whp was 194whp, and he spent ALOT of money.

Get a 1.8 or 2.0 L block. CTR pistons, get compression to 12:1, high aggressive cams, lightened flywheel, cam gears adjustable, springs/retainers/valves, P&P the head, a extensively tuned computer OBD1; the works!

We got a stock bore/stroke B18C1 to get 218whp. Ran 12.3 on the 1/4 mile street car.

Saw the same setup on a B20B block which got 238whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the lightened flywheel wont help the Horsepower

 

bored GSR block, oversized "itr" pistons, p&p b16 head, toda-c's, hondata, toda header, skunk2 manifold....blah blah blah

start with a 1.8...thats important

 

there was a guy in the all motor forum witha b16,ctr pistons, built head ,and hella tuning ang got just a bout the two hundred mark. like 198 197, somthing to make me say wow.

 

To make that on a b16a you have to focus on the head..Do alot of porting on the intake and exhaust..Get some upgraded valve springs and retainers so you can rev high to make the power,,then get some good cams that will make the power high up,,get a good intake manifold like edelbrock victor-x,,putting higher compression pistons in will help you as long as you get some cams that can utilize the extra compression..Next is you'll need a good header,,not dc sport,,A real header..Then you get some good fuel managment like turboedit,BRE,etc..

If I had to do it I would do this..

CTR pistons
Skunk2 stage 2 cams,,or some toda b cams and some adjustable cam gears
Porting and polishing on the head
Omni power vavle springs and retainers
edelbrock victor-x intake manifold
Bored out throttle body(Not to big though)
ANR header
Fuel pump from the dohc vtec car,,sohc and dohc nonvtec pumps are know to make the motor run a bit lean in the high rpm..
Turboedit pm6 with 1 wire vtec and find a good tuner..
Might need an upgraded igniton depending on how high you want to rev,,

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1445185

is 81 mm stock for a b16? im not much for numbers

 

If I were to do it I would do a poor mans type r. You already have the b16 head, get a gsr block, upgrade cam, retainers, springs, and valves, port and polish, and type r pistons, and there you go. This is what I want to do, just don't have the cash.

 

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is 81 mm stock for a b16? im not much for numbers</TD></TR></TABLE>

Imagine how much HP he would have made if he had a victor-x intake manifold instead of ITB's..

 

Can you use b16 motor mounts to mount a b20 or b18?

 

I'm pretty sure all b series mount in the same spot, is why hasport doesn't specify, just says b series mounts.

 

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Yup,you can use them on all b-series engines except the ones in the early preludes

 

u dont touch the head 1st of all. leave that 4 last & if ur going to port it at all only clean up the casting and maybe a hair over like a type r port.
i have 2 close friends w/ identical set ups except for the head , 1 fully built paramore n/a head and the other was done by us , ours threw down more on the dyno @ Payne consistently and on more than 1 occasion.
back in the day Tony S. set the next n/a world record using a bone stock head,just cams ,retainers,and springs.

 

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the lightened flywheel wont help the Horsepower</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know it won't add horsepower to the engine, but doesn't it help get more of the crank horsepower to the wheels, which is what this guy is after (200 WHP)? or

 

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Are you serious?? THat's where the power will be made..cams and porting,,and you have to rev high to get that power and the stock valve spring and reatainers are not sufficeint up there..


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I know it won't add horsepower to the engine, but doesn't it help get more of the crank horsepower to the wheels, which is what this guy is after (200 WHP)? or </TD></TR></TABLE>

you might get like 1hp,,but what it's really for is get the revs up fast in turn gives you a faster car..

 

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This is 2006. There is a LOT of power to be made in the head, and if he's set on getting 200whp and keeping the b16 block, he's most likely going to need headwork. You won't set any "world records" today with an unported head.

 

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Okay, you schooled me . Thanks, by the way .

 

Thanks tips, I'm well aware of the lightened flywheel doesn't make power. I was just saying that things like they just help out the whole situation, a lightened flywheel reduces the weight that the engine has to spin, thus making it rev a little easier, don't think I don't know my stuff. Little things like a lightened flywheel help out.