We took apart a Ls motor today for a customer to check for bearing issues. We noticed that the motor had no thrust washers. We pointed this out to the customer and he said " his motor builder told him they were not need in Ls motors, or even when using Ls cranks in ANY block vtec or not."

Well I simply dont not agree with this and wanted the opinions of the board - thank you.

 

i completely agree with you. ihave never heard of anyone doing this. how did the block look was there wear on the side of the counterweights/main caps? humor the guy and check the crankshaft endplay iam curious how bad it is.

 

thats weird I thought you always had to have them so it stopped the crank from moving around.

 

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91B16HF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats weird I thought you always had to have them so it stopped the crank from moving around.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats what we told him - so he called his "builder" and they told him they were not needed. He also said the car would not go into gear ( 1st ) we also explained that could be caused from the crank moving as he tied to engauge the clutch -

 

always use thrust washers. no exceptions

 

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Thanks guys - we just wanted the customer to get as many opinions as possible. Thanks again for all the help -

Jason

 

Wow are you serious? It's not a 7 bolt DSM!
I would recomend you tell him no never go back there. It would be one thing to forget, but not needed?

 

Doh, even Homer Simpson uses thrust washers. Unless they are allready there. Even the "black sox" guys use thrust washers.

 

Learn somethin new everyday , right Jay?

 

even ssac uses thrust washers

 

Well guys - the customer is a H-T member and after all the replies he FINALLY trust us. Man sometimes its hard to gain a customers trust but this helped -

Again Thank You

 

You might be able to get away without a thrust bearing.But DON'T EVER push in the clutch or start the engine. LOL

 

I had the thrust washers drop in a motor of mine. The crank walked like crazy and eventually it was FUBAR.

 

so are you now replacing the crank, bearings, bolts, rods and align honing the mains ?

or is your customer going to try another shortcut and learn episode?

 

but let me guess the customer is always right...haha.

hey RMF whats your sig. all about? are you some sort of cowboy?

"People that die of natural causes are pussies...
FEAR not the gun,Only the hole that it makes..."

 

maybe he's been shot at a lot and wears body armor all day at work ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Michael Delaney &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe he's been shot at a lot and wears body armor all day at work ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No thats not it.I used to be the crew chief on a Top Fuel Hydro called TOP GUN.And we used to get No Fear shirts . From NO FEAR.And both of those sayings in my sig were on shirts that were pulled from the line.
Sorry TWANG ,I have only been shot once.By a sore loser playing pool.And who ever said that you don't feel it is a lier.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jason@Rage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well guys - the customer is a H-T member and after all the replies he FINALLY trust us. Man sometimes its hard to gain a customers trust but this helped -

Again Thank You </TD></TR></TABLE>

what's scary is if people here on H-T sarcastically replied with "nah..don't need em!"...

he might have took it literally and thought his "builder" was right.

 

no thrust shims what an idiot builder , unless he was running a main bearing that had a thrust shim built into it like vw's do. no thrust = mad crank walk which = pounded out bearing saddels

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RMF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> No thats not it.I used to be the crew chief on a Top Fuel Hydro called TOP GUN.And we used to get No Fear shirts . From NO FEAR.And both of those sayings in my sig were on shirts that were pulled from the line.
Sorry TWANG ,I have only been shot once.By a sore loser playing pool.And who ever said that you don't feel it is a lier.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ooo, Randy's been shot? You're HT's own version of 50 Cent Randy

 

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Ooo, Randy's been shot? You're HT's own version of 50 Cent Randy </TD></TR></TABLE>

"Get RMF or die tryin"