Hey guys

I have a buddy of mine that is doing a motor swap on his teg. Its a 95 LS 5spd. He already purchased a B16C from Noyan USA and has it sitting at his house. What does he need exactly for it to running close to perfect? My next question probably is, what can he re-use that he has from the LS motor? I/E shift slinkage, mounts, harness, axles, etc...
He wants this car running by late feb to early march, so any of your suggestions will deff help. I know that the ls motor is non-vtec and he has to switch that harness to vtec, what is a good company that takes the factory ls harness and make it compatable with the B16C.

4g4d.


Modified by 4g4d at 4:45 PM 12/24/2005

 

my only suggestion is the harness be bought in full...save the time and trouble of maybe ******* something up, the engine should fit right in assuming u have the ecu - tranny - block - head, all in good working order...

-suggest new engine mounts while your at it (especially if u wish to build up the engine)

im tired and pretty hungover so if im forgetting something, someone please chime in and correct

 

my suggestion is doing a ls/vtec, unless the bottom end of the ls is no good. get some arp rod bolts though.

 

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that ls motor has over 200k on it. So he decided he was going to do a motor swap. I think he got a JDM B16C??? No exactly sure but will post if i find out.


OKAY MAJOR UPDATE

Motor for swap: JDM B16C

 

i like torque....too bad youll be experiencing 110 lbs of it with the b16 in a dc...have fun...youll have a gutless car

 

yea thats kinda dumb to put a b16 in a dc, shulda got the b18 for lke $500-800 more, the motor that should go in there.

 

the B18c1 will pull quite a bit harder than a b16 in a teg. I havent seen for myself what a b16 will do in a teg but but i can imagine it will be somewhat the same as the ls motor.

Lets think about this for a second...

LS= only 140ish hp but more tourqe
B16= 160 hp but less tourqe

You know what they say "tourqe is what moves a car not HP"

In all fairness im waiting for a b16 teg owner to come in and give us their experiance. I think then we will have a clear undersatnding of a B16 swaped teg.

Cya.

 

Are you sure he didnt say B18c?

Just a thought.

 

Ill ask the same question. I think you meant to say b18c?

 

I would hope it's a b18c. Because a b16a would pretty much be a downgrade over the b18b.

 

I think if it is a Civic Type R engine, then it should give decent power with good weight reduction to the Integra. Get it down to 2400 lbs or so.
This is pure speculation though. I don't know anyone who put a B16C in a Teg.

 

what is a b16c? I've heard of a b16B out of the ctr and a b16[b]A&lt;/a&gt; out of si-r's and the xsi...oh well, b16'd tegs = slow in my opinion.

 

B16 isn't going to be anything... it's going to feel unbelievably slower then the LS, it'll make alot of noise though when vtec kicks in.. lol. I drive a 95 LS(turbo) and i've driven my friends 2000 civic si(b16) with i/h/e, it's sloooow, it might just be that i'm used to my car but I think my car felt faster then his Si when mine was stock. I think the integra weighs more then the 00' Si also. In my opinion it wouldn't be worth it.

But, you'll need the complete engine harness and the ECU. You'll need the complete engine w/ transmission(hopefully you got the b16 one, if not the LS one will work but it will slow it even more). You can use the same shift linkage etc it will bolt up to the tranny, hopefully you got a hydraulic tranny with it, if so it will all bolt up the same on the tranny. You should do a timing belt, water pump, and accessory belts change while the motor is out. You will need a b16 starter. The exhaust manifold off the LS will work on the b16. Motor mounts off the LS will need to be swapped to the b16. Axles will work fine with the b16 tranny. I would do a valve adjustment while you have the motor out as well, give you somethin to do while any parts are coming in before the actual swap. The thermostat should probably be changed out as well but thats easy enough to do with the engine in the car but I personally would do it before putting it in. Make sure your intake manifold is cleaned out and the throttle body can open fully etc, I know when I got my JDM B18B there was all kinds of **** in the intake that I had to get cleaned out which was a real pain in the *** cause of the cheapass paper intake manifold gaskets they use was stuck to the head and manifold. Leave the A/C compressor and the P/S pump in the car and hooked up when you pull the LS motor and you can just rebolt them up to the B16 when you put it in. I think that about covers it just make sure to do that maintenance stuff on a JDM engine, I even went as far as replacing the headgasket on my B18B when I put it in, mine was in great condition though, it was off an automatic JDM integra so I don't think it was beaten too badly.

Anything you're missing you can go to an auto parts store and say you need it for an 00 Civic Si and anything for the engine itself should work. I've never had to change out a harness but I'd imagine that's going to be the biggest pain in the *** you'll have because it seems like you'd need to remove the dash.

 

his starter will work....b series starters are interchangeable...

 

i have a friend with a b16 in his DA and he got owned by my bro's ex before he swapped....

 

i brought a b16a2 complete/w gsr cams with b16 tranny to go in a 93-95 eg but came across a 95 gsr teg shell for cheap. stock for stock the ls has more torque but the b16 will out run it.if planning to go turbo you can safely boost the stock b16 of course with the right turbo and make some where around 200+ whp and with a built b16 you can get up to around 500+ whp done the right way.Now if your looking for more than that get you a gsr block and build that.since you already have the b16 block build that and boost it you will be surprised!

 

LoL, if you boost a stock b16 you will blow that motor out with the quickness!! compression is too high if you wanna boost a stock b16 your going to have to stay around 5-6 pounds max if you want some life outta the engine. and a stock LS bottom block can handle anywhere up to 12 pounds of boost if tuned right! and you make 500whp seem like its easy! **** with a turboed LS you be lucky to break into the 220's with just the basic mods. 500whp in a honda = alotta $$$$

 

Guys he isn't talkin about building the engine or boosting, he said he wants to get it running perfectly. It sounds like his LS engine is tiring out or he thinks it is and wants to get a b16 that he already purchased, swapped into it and running so he won't have to worry about it. I'm not sure if all the starters are interchangeable, I checked part #'s between a 2000 civic Si and a 95 Integra LS and they were way different which is why I came to the conclusion that he would need a b16 starter, but if you know for sure that they will interchange then ignore what I said about the starter.

 

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yea im sure they are interchangeable because im using an si starter...and to the people thinking the b16 will outrun the ls...umm no...99 si's run about ls times...imagine that engine in a heavier chasis now....you get the idea...

 

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My bad. I completely forgot that he called the B16B a B16C (brain fart). He got me mixed up too.

 

so my friend has to buy a whole new harness? he cant use the harness that the has for the LS motor?

 

WELL FIRST OFF LET ME SAY THAT I HAVE A 95 TEG GSR SHELL BUT I BROUGHT A B16A2 /W GSR CAMS AND B16 TRANNY BEFORE I GOT THE GSR.MY PLAN WAS TO GET A 93-95 EG BUILD THE BLOCK AND HEAD AND TURBO CHARGE IT. WAS LOOKING TO GET AROUND 400+.BUT NOW THAT I HAVE THE GSR SHELL IM JUST GONNA TURBO CHARGE THE STOCK MOTOR WIHT LOW BOOST OF COURSE AND STILL GUARANTEED TO MAKE 200+WHP. AND IN THE MEAN TIME I WILL BUILD ANOTHER ONE ON THE SIDE. HORSE POWER IS HORSE POWER WHETHER YOU BUILD A B16 TO MAKE 400WHP OR YOU BUILD A B18 TO MAKE 400WHP. THE BIGGEST AVANTAGE IS THAT THE B18 BLOCK CAN BE BUILT TO MAKE MORE HP THAN THE B16. SO ITS YOUR CHIOCE ON WHAT YOUR LOOKING TO DO. BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE IT WORK WITH WHAT YOU HAVE BECAUSE IF YOU WANTED TO YOU CAN GET THAT B16 BLOCK SLEEVED AND BORED TO A 1.8 SO YOU HAVE MANY OPTIONS

 

LOL THATS WHY I SAID LOW BOOST AND ALSO YOU GOT GUYS OUT THERE THAT BOOST STOCK GSR AND B16'S AND LAST. NOTHIN IS GONNA LAST FOREVER ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR RACING IT ALL THE TIME EVEN IF ITS FULLY BUILT FOR IT

 

Less caps lock, and you're wrong about the horsepower being horsepower. You have to consider the larger torque #'s of the b18 over the b16.

 

blah on a b16, I'm putting a d16z6 in my 97 GSR integra, when you get a shell for basically free, and already have plans for another car.. **** happens.