I'm thinking about getting a 2004 civic ex sedan auto with 33,000 miles. Getting this as a business car & daily driver. The selling point for me is the great gas milage it gets. I'm getting auto cause the wife needs to drive it to. The car comes with a <FONT COLOR="green"> 7yr/100,000 mile honda certifyed warnetee </FONT>


I'm very familiar with honda's but just not anything newer than 2001+civic/rsx.

My question is about the possiblity & complexity of alternate motor swaps down the road. I don't plan on swapping it at least until the warentee is up. But I would like the car to have more tq.

<FONT COLOR="red"> I was thinking about a K20A3 (160hp & 132tq) from a RSX non-S or EP3 since they came in auto as well. </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="orange"> OR.... even the K24A3 (156hp & 160tq) from the CRV with auto FWD tranny.... picking the 2 motors would just fall on price & avaiblity.. not looking too much at topend power </FONT>

Please give me some sense of direction with the newer civics.
Any links would grately be apperciated.
Or of you know if it's even possible since the AUTO & MANUEL tranny MOUNT from the K20A3 might be different when using the hasport kit.


TIA
Charlie Neng Moua

 

Oh Charlie...


Search Noob!! haha


In all honesty. I don't think it would be even worth considering it being that its an automatic to begin with. Just teach the wife how to drive a stick!

 

Confidence in the auto fitting is pretty low. The 6 speed from the TSX doesn't fit, you need to use the RSX transmission, given that the automatic is going to be bigger than that, its unlikely that it will get in there either.


Best option.... buy an Accord, call it a day.
Second best option, drive it until warranty is up, then buy an accord.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boilermaker1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Confidence in the auto fitting is pretty low. The 6 speed from the TSX doesn't fit, you need to use the RSX transmission, given that the automatic is going to be bigger than that, its unlikely that it will get in there either.


Best option.... buy an Accord, call it a day.
Second best option, drive it until warranty is up, then buy an accord.</TD></TR></TABLE>

guys, I think you don't get what i'm trying to here. All i want is a nice little civic with power options and safety features with a little more tq for daily driving. Has to be auto and 4dr. I don't plan on racing this at all.

So your saying that the K series Auto tranny are physially bigger than the K series 5spd tranny?
would the tranny mounts be different or the same?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Charlie Moua &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

guys, I think you don't get what i'm trying to here. All i want is a nice little civic with power options and safety features with a little more tq for daily driving. Has to be auto and 4dr. I don't plan on racing this at all.

So your saying that the K series Auto tranny are physially bigger than the K series 5spd tranny?
would the tranny mounts be different or the same?

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Yeah the trans is going to be bigger. Just like in a B-Series. You're better off...turboing the D17...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMisGOOD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yeah the trans is going to be bigger. Just like in a B-Series. You're better off...turboing the D17... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well I do understand the fact that all honda auto tranny are going to be bigger than the manuel tranny, but what I'm thinking is WHY would it not fit?

is the front sub-frame of the cars different when auto & manuel?

 

Possibly...if you got like a Base model RSX tranny and engine cradle... it might work. I'm not 100% though...I don't know jack **** about K-Series automatics.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Charlie Moua &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">guys, I think you don't get what i'm trying to here. All i want is a nice little civic with power options and safety features with a little more tq for daily driving. Has to be auto and 4dr. I don't plan on racing this at all.

So your saying that the K series Auto tranny are physially bigger than the K series 5spd tranny?
would the tranny mounts be different or the same? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Then just boost the damn thing. 5-6 PSI will give you more power than you'll get out of a K20A3 and all it really takes is a transmission cooler to keep the transmission under control.
Wasting 8000 bucks on an auto swap isn't going to accomplish anything. With all the power loss through the transmission you might gain 20 HP.

 

well if you have driven a auto crv & a auto d17 you would clearly see that the numbers or the feel of the car does not seem a mear 20whp gain...

I do understand the fact that auto's have more resistance and there for loose power coming from the motor.

I don't want to turbo an auto car... it's my daily driver... I don't want boost, oil gauges, have to spend money on tuning it NOR having to always look under my car & check vacume lines, coolant & oil lines...

BTW what is a "engine craddle?"
not very good with K series.

 

The engine craddle is just another name for the front subfram, its held in by four 17mm or 19mm bolts (typicaly)

 

<FONT COLOR="green"> ..... any idea of where to find a K24A3 or K20A3 swap? </FONT>

 

forget about it... period..

First of all , the k20a3 or the crv motor on that car will not be anything to brag about it... You need a k20a2 style head on there to make power...

The tranny needs to be manual... unless you have your own fabricator that is willing to make you custom mounts....

Swaping an auto car is a waste of time and money.. People that do these kind of things, have 400whp domestic cars or turbo cars from the factory...

Also, keep in mind that the 2006 civic motor is made in the USA and the prices are really really good... like $1500 for a complete new head... $1400 for a complete block etc... SO basically, in a few years, it is going to make a lot of sense for a lot of people to swap a k series motor in their cars...

Since you are trying to take care of the wife and your future needs... Get her a car and get yourself a cheap 92-2000 civic and swap a k series motor when you are ready.. Meanwhile start saving.. because it is going to cost you a shitload of money...

But really,, do not waste your time on swapping an auto 2004 civic... Remember that there are more issueds with the immobilizer... THe car will not run, unless you are using K pro, AEM EMS... It will also run like **** with a k20a type r ecu, unless you have a k20a type r motor, etc... YOu could also swap a k20a2 rsx type s motor and flash the ecu etc...

 

woah good stuff bro...
thats the kind of reply I was looking for.

Well swaping cost of K20 into a chassie..
would it be cheaper in a eg ek or 2001+ civic?
(mounts, wiring, axles, ect)

 

the cost of swapping a k20a3 (RSX base model) with a auto tranny is about roughly 3500-4000 with install. check up http://www.7thgencivic.com to find out more about the 7th gen civics (2001-2005 models) every other thread in our forced induction forum is about that swap so you'll find some itneresting info on that. btw, if you really want some power, i recommend Dezod's turbo kit. he's one of the first to make a turbo kit specifically made for AUTO 7th gen civics. his website is http://www.dezod.com and he has a page specifically made for 7th gen civics. thank you for reading my essay.

 

does greddy make a turbo kit for it yet?
also doesn't Jackson Racing have a supercharger kit for the em1 yet?