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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 05:47 PM
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hey i want to swap a gsr block with a b16 head and i was wondering if i would be able to pass the bar with a hybrid?? thanks for the time.
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 05:50 PM
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not in cali
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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no chance buddy
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 05:58 PM
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cali smog stuff sucks
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 06:20 PM
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no hybrids
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 06:21 PM
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expletive! i could just burrow a friends gsr head though...
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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Eff California i am moving to nevada! the land of dropping in rb25's into 240's were you can swap anything into anything! lol
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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Getting bar'd is not as hard as people make it out to be, just have the right parts and your set. Why pick up and leave for something so small?
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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ohh lol i was jk. hahah. nah i have an em1 right now. but i think i am gonna put it back to stock and keep it as a daily and build an ek.
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Old Dec 18, 2005 | 10:45 PM
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there was a thread about an LS VTEC passing BAR. i def. remember it
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 12:13 AM
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 12:22 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ADVAN EG2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there was a thread about an LS VTEC passing BAR. i def. remember it</TD></TR></TABLE>

I remember a thread being made that was total BS and in the end it turned out like the guy had different motors or something. If thats not the same one im thinking of i want proof.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iLOVEmyEMone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">expletive! i could just burrow a friends gsr head though...</TD></TR></TABLE>

As long as its the same year as the block youll be fine. But you need the intake manifold as well.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 01:30 AM
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as long as you could get that c1 block/b16 head pass the emission then you'll pass the BAR.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 07:16 AM
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Thanks for all the help guys!
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 07:34 AM
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i think it would be possible. besides, how would they know which head goes to what? the identification is on the block that they look for. to tell you the truth, if you already have a si, just swap the block and go on your merry way. it looks the same as your stock si b engine.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 08:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eg6B18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as long as you could get that c1 block/b16 head pass the emission then you'll pass the BAR. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not Visual you wont.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by littleredcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think it would be possible. besides, how would they know which head goes to what? the identification is on the block that they look for.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The vin on the block tells the yea, then on the head theres the year, so theyll know if its a 93 block with a 98 head.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 11:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not Visual you wont.

The vin on the block tells the yea, then on the head theres the year, so theyll know if its a 93 block with a 98 head. </TD></TR></TABLE>

many people have pass JDM gsr, and my friend passed his 95 hatch with a 2000 C1 block and a 97 gsr head...............

Like I said, if you could pass Emission then you'll pass the bar.
gsr bock+B16 head= higher compression&gt;high Nox
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 11:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eg6B18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

many people have pass JDM gsr,

Like I said, if you could pass Emission then you'll pass the bar.
gsr bock+B16 head= higher compression&gt;high Nox</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ive passed my JDM GSR, whats your point?

Pass with a GSR block and a B16 head then you could have proof. Ive talked with refs many times about hybrids, CRVs, CRVTEC in hondas and they all say the same, they wont pass.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ADVAN EG2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there was a thread about an LS VTEC passing BAR. i def. remember it</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've seen that too...but I think he passed BAR first, then went LS VTEC, and just having a sticker for it so when he goes to get smogged w/ his LS/Vtec he wont have a problem.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 12:05 PM
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when doing a visual inspection, they check for the serials #'s on a block to make sure they are not stolen, not checking to make sure you have the same block and head but mostly they are making sure everything is hooked up.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eg6B18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when doing a visual inspection, they check for the serials #'s on a block to make sure they are not stolen, not checking to make sure you have the same block and head but mostly they are making sure everything is hooked up.
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Your kidding right? Have you ever gone to the ref for BAR? You do know that the year of the motor is stamped into the serial right? The year is the by far one of the most important thing about BAR. They dont just check the head.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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I'm majoring in Auto-Tech, I have ran the smog analyzer many times and yes, I passed my gsr hatch at the Ref last year.
your right about the year, the motor gotta be newer than the car. they can find out what the year on the head but they can't tell what kind of head it is.


Modified by Eg6B18C1 at 3:40 PM 12/19/2005
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 02:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not Visual you wont.

The vin on the block tells the yea, then on the head theres the year, so theyll know if its a 93 block with a 98 head. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You have no clue what you speak of, do you? I've been to the ref many times. I've spoken directly to them. They could give two ***** about the year of the HEAD. I passed my 92 B17 in my 93 CX with an 89 head no problem. Go ahead and just TRY to tell me how that one works? My guess is you can't becuase you THINK you know more then you really do about the laws... The B18c1/B16 head combo WILL pass in terms of the "date check".. Its going to be more of a trick to get the right intake manifold and crap on there then it will be to get the year of the head to pass based on the date...
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Your kidding right? Have you ever gone to the ref for BAR? You do know that the year of the motor is stamped into the serial right? The year is the by far one of the most important thing about BAR. They dont just check the head. </TD></TR></TABLE>

BAR = Bureau of Automotive Repair. So you don't "go to the ref for bar" you tool. You go to the ref to get a certification that you car meets all applicable laws for emissions/engine swaps. You obviously don't fully understand the laws either judging by your responses. False information is the last thing this place needs more of.
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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 11:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You have no clue what you speak of, do you? I've been to the ref many times. I've spoken directly to them. They could give two ***** about the year of the HEAD. I passed my 92 B17 in my 93 CX with an 89 head no problem. Go ahead and just TRY to tell me how that one works? My guess is you can't becuase you THINK you know more then you really do about the laws... The B18c1/B16 head combo WILL pass in terms of the "date check".. Its going to be more of a trick to get the right intake manifold and crap on there then it will be to get the year of the head to pass based on the date... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Show a BAR sticker for that and ill retract everything i said. Along with a B18c/B16 passing.

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