I have tokico illuminas along with eibach sportline springs on my 91 b16b swapped CRX. I was wanting to know if anyone has any experience with the settings on the five ways. Any advice on the best front and rear combination for best handling? (I am getting an Eibach camber kit soon, as I have excessive inner wear on my front tires after lowering the car. Sway and strut bars coming soon...)

 

any pic's? i was thinking about getting these, how do u like um? how much and where did u get um?

 

There's a few other posts I searched with people saying they like these. I personally love them. You really can feel the difference between stiff and soft settings. The stiff setting really helps your drag launch. I just wanted advice on what settings for best cornering like at an autocross event. Got em on ebay for a good price, forgot how much tho. You can find pics of them there. My advice? You can get better ones for more money I'm sure, but as for these... Great price for good 5 ways. Get em.

 

first thing is that you dont need to get a camber kit.

you need an ALIGNMENT. to set the toe straight, because when you lowered the car, the toe got messed up and toe is what affects tire wear. not the camber.

as for setting your illuminas, basically what i do is just go over a speed bump and set it so that it just bounces once and settles. i pay attention to the front and rear separately. thats just how i set my baseline for the street.

then i tune it to whatever i feel like, or what the occasion calls. its up to you, thats the beauty of em.

 

The guy i bought my crx from that has illuminas i think said that he ran it on 4 up front and 5 in the back and did pretty good in STS2.I might be way off i don't really remember i just think that is what he said. What do most people DD on illuminas. i think mine are at 3 in the front and 4 in the back.

 

hmm this is odd. I had my friend install my coilovers and shocks and I think the rear shocks are shot already. He didnt put the directional ***** in the right way so the numbers are all out of alignment. I have no idea how to set it like this. My front end is fine and takes bumps but my rear hops and you can feel everything.

sorry for jacking your thread

 

illuminas have a lifetime warranty.

 

Tyson, to quote you "as for setting your illuminas, basically what i do is just go over a speed bump and set it so that it just bounces once and settles. i pay attention to the front and rear separately. thats just how i set my baseline for the street.
then i tune it to whatever i feel like, or what the occasion calls. its up to you, thats the beauty of em"

I have played around with them, softer in the front/stiffer in the rear, stiffer in the rear/softer in the front (have had them for over a year). I'm not looking for comfort (although they ain't bad at any setting). I'm looking for best handling, and that's where I needed the tuning advice, to deal with oversteer and understeer. I don't think going over a bump to set them is going to help much with that, thanks anyway. I know I want a slight understeer or possibly neutral setting, so that would either be an equal setting for the shocks, because front wheel drive vehicles naturally have understeer, or one setting stiffer for the front. What exactly I'm wanting is a post from an experienced autocrosser on the best balanced setting for a swapped and lowered CRX for autocrossing.. For example, 5 setting for the front, 4 setting for the rear. Or maybe 5 and 5. Or maybe one setting softer, 4 and 4. I haven't had the opportunity to autocross yet, and I don't feel like testing the limits of my car on backroads or crowded streets where lessons learned on what not to do will be very expensive and dangerous. Any experience autocrossers out there?

And Tyson, to quote again "you need an ALIGNMENT. to set the toe straight, because when you lowered the car, the toe got messed up and toe is what affects tire wear. not the camber."

I wasn't exactly asking for advice in that area. I know that I need an alignment to correct toe settings for excessive tire wear, but I also need to correct camber settings. That's what the camber kit (also known as alignment kit) would be for, because according to Eibach it's also, (maybe even mainly) too much negative CAMBER that causes excessive tire wear. http://eibach.com/cgi-bin/html...20824 But hey, what do they know? Maybe you can write them and tell them they are wrong. And hey, what do I know, too, right? I guess I'll call the shop tomorrow and see if the alignment can be done with a lowered car and no aftermarket alignment kit. Will post results...

 

well, im not the only one who KNOWS camber is not the main contributor to tire wear. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1453781

if your camber is still within -2.5 and lowered, youre just at the right amount. if you dial your static camber back out positive, youll just be reducing your cornering grip. anyway, feel free to spend your money.

when i was autoxing with the illuminas, i found myself in the range of 4 front, 3 rear with eibach prokits. knowing what i know now, i certainly could have tried bumping the rear stiffer to 5. when i was road racing competitively with the illuminas, i was at 5 all around with 450/900 springs.

but honestly, you dont get a "neutral" or "oversteer" handling by just your shocks. the driver has much more to do with it. oversteer and understeer is just a state of being, it doesnt describe a car. a car in a turn can be oversteering at turn in, and understeering at the exit. and furthermore, the "feel" of a car is too subjective to the driver.

anyway, good luck to you.

 

LOL, thanks man, those threads are good. I feel better about the camber thing now, I guess I'll learn the hard way whether it's true or not. I'm gonna save my money for better things like ****, I mean, um, more car stuff. Geez, glad I didn't go with the es100s. Dayam, sounds like they only last a week. That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for here. Answers from real life experiences. Anyways, I ordered Toyo Proxes T1-S tires 205-50-15 for my Mugen MF5s. Got em at 91 bucks each, which aint bad. Hope I don't start seeing replys about how much they suck. Hecks, why not start a tire comparison link here? It's gone from shocks to camber/toe, so let's do tires next.

 

i used to autox mine on my crx at 5-rear and 2-front before whatever asshat stole my car put koni yellows and stock springs in their place and dumped it on the street.

car rotated the best that way.

the negative camber is good

 

what? they stole your car and put koni yellows on???

 

dayum... let someone steal my car and put some good **** on there hahahahhaa

 

i actually rode around on 5 on all corners for about 2 years on mine. just recently i put em on 3 just to feel the difference. think im used to 5 tho

 

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haha, yeah. smart kids. i guess it was too slow to take the ground controls off the tokicos and swap everything....

i haven't taken everything apart yet to see what model they are, so they might be for some other chassis, but they are yellows. i'll update my thread sometime closer to christmas when i get a chance to get up to my garage.

 

The problem with tire compairisons is that few people have used a large number of different tires WITHOUT changing their suspension/motor setup in some way. Personally I'm going with parada spec-2's again, esp over es100's. My brother had them - louder, and wore quicker - and worse in rain.

As for the shock settings, I'm running 450/350 rates with 3front/4rear. No bouncing, nor do I get the undulating 'old cadillac' ride. Oddly it doesn't hammer the chassis when it hits a big bump - maybe due to extra travel I have now.