Hey guys whats up,

I have a question, I have my 90 integra RS Lowered,
Fenders are around 23" all around, I'm sitting on 14" Steelies, P195/60R 14 85H
I'm tucking 1"-2" all around.

I have about -2.5 Camber on the front, and some Negative camber in the rear.


I have asked many people, about this.
Question:

Will Camber Affect Tread Wear?
If the Toe is set Perfect.


I need an alignment, and I have bad camber so in 5 days I took my brand new
Yoko Rubber to 100% bold. Mostly because of horribly bad alignment,
But Should I spend the money on a camber , I don't know/

TIA.

 

Get an alignment and have them set toe to zero in all four corners. No need for a camber kit.

 

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I have asked many people, about this.
Question:

Will Camber Affect Tread Wear?
If the Toe is set Perfect.

I need an alignment, and I have bad camber so in 5 days I took my brand new
Yoko Rubber to 100% bold. Mostly because of horribly bad alignment,
But Should I spend the money on a camber , I don't know/

TIA. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Will camber affect tread??? WTF, you said you have brand new rubber with bad camber and after 5 days you went completely bald. Put one and one together and you get two. and yes if you haven't figured it out by now you shouldn't be working on cars. as for asking if you think it's worth getting a camber kit; let's see you went bald in a matter of days with new tires on bad camber. do you want to get a new set of tires every couple weeks or so??? it's definitly worth it!!

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okay you can do minor adjustments in camber but -2.5 c'mon, you have to get a kit to zero that out. and toe will affect the tread, but the thread originator posted they had good toe.

I hope that this thread is a joke cause those 1700 posts show you should be knowledgable in some way. If not, you really have some researching to do!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90DA9IntegraRS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey guys whats up,

I have a question, I have my 90 integra RS Lowered,
Fenders are around 23" all around, I'm sitting on 14" Steelies, P195/60R 14 85H
I'm tucking 1"-2" all around.

I have about -2.5 Camber on the front, and some Negative camber in the rear.


I have asked many people, about this.
Question:

Will Camber Affect Tread Wear?
If the Toe is set Perfect.


I need an alignment, and I have bad camber so in 5 days I took my brand new
Yoko Rubber to 100% bold. Mostly because of horribly bad alignment,
But Should I spend the money on a camber , I don't know/

TIA. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Fast answer, if toe is perfect, camber will affect tread wear, but probably not enough to even notice.

I've rolled over 15k miles on -4.75* camber, without any visible camber wear, and no tire rotation. Toe was 0, front and back though. This was also on my Triumph, not a Honda, and that is within factory specification (-3.75* +- 1).

In theory, camber will put a little more pressure on the inside of the tire, causing slightly more wear. However, cornering puts alot more pressure on the outside of the tire, causing wear at the outer shoulder. At what point they balance out will depend on driving habits, tire compound, tire pressure, blah blah, etc... Just get the toe set right, and don't worry about it too much.

 

I have never been able to decide on this question. Have you seen the camber on some sports cars? It's at least 1.7-2 degrees... At my work I drive hundreds of cars all day and I am very observative... Lots of BMW's run a lot of neg. camber, don't know why, but they just do, and then I wonder:

do they go through tires as fast as us Honda guys with the same camber? Just something to think about. And then I start realizing, if cars come with lots of neg. camber from factory, it can't be that bad.

 

I went bold becuase my toe is horribly off. I never said my toe was set at 0.
Read.

 

I made a general statement. I'm not talking about your setup. Read.

 

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My staement was not for you.

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Will camber affect tread??? WTF, you said you have brand new rubber with bad camber and after 5 days you went completely bald. Put one and one together and you get two. and yes if you haven't figured it out by now you shouldn't be working on cars. as for asking if you think it's worth getting a camber kit; let's see you went bald in a matter of days with new tires on bad camber. do you want to get a new set of tires every couple weeks or so??? it's definitly worth it!!

okay you can do minor adjustments in camber but -2.5 c'mon, you have to get a kit to zero that out. and toe will affect the tread, but the thread originator posted they had good toe.

I hope that this thread is a joke cause those 1700 posts show you should be knowledgable in some way. If not, you really have some researching to do!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dick. 1700 posts, yes plently of knoledge, but I created the thread becuase after hours of reasearch I came across two things, Yes it does, and No it doesnt.

STFU, And Get out.

I'm doing my research right now.

 

like tunern00b said, camber affects treadwear, but not that much.

with perfect toe, it's not going to cut your tire life by a significant amount. maybe 1000 miles all told, and that's pure speculation. it also depends on your driving style (like to do lots of burnouts or brake really late?).

-2.5 degress of neg. camber is nothing. that's what i like to call "the sweet spot."

you can zero out camber if you want, it'll just corner terribly. you'll also find your tires wearing quicker on the outside instead of the inside.

 

Ok thanks guys,

No, No burnouts (I'm too poor to brun tires )
And I dont brake real late/Hard

 

ok well this just seems rediculous....... you NEED to have your camber set within factory specs to not get bad camber wear. when my gsr was stock i was showing camber wear on the inside rears of my avs es100's. i assure you that after you get your alighnment you will burn all the rubber off the inside of your tire. plus, with all that camber, take your wheel off and check out the inside of your fender well..... yea - see all those rub spots? NOT good! damn camber kit all around would run you 200 bucks just do it! why be ghetto about it!!?!?!


kids with slammed hondas on steelies with hella camber and fart pipes are what give us true honda guys a bad name...... lemme guess do you have altezzas too?

 

i dont have a tire wear problemw/ a camber kit, my toe is in spec, i drive my car everyday to school and work.

 

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you dont have a camber kit or you do? depends how low your car is and what car it is. thats why i said to avoid bad camber wear you should be within the factory spec range. for instance we just put omnipower sports in my cousins ek, no camber kit. theres about a half inch between the tires and the fender. but his camber angles are maybe off a half degree tops from stock, it all depends on how much you lower it. its maybe a 1.75 inch drop id say.

 

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What the hell? I am asking a question becuase after searching over many threads, I have heard both things. And I have created this thread to clear things up for me, and/or for some who also don't know.

ALso, Yah let me go out and just spend money on some nice rims/ tires,
I'm not rich, No where near. I worked my *** off for the money to buy this car and for the money I have spent fixing this car.

And no I dont have altezzas, Here are a few pictures,
Damn. Yah I have steelies, I dont have the money right now to buy rims/tires,
and its winter, who cares what wheels I have on there, I would rather have the steelies on than some nice rims just incase something happens, Its winter, Ice could be anywhere.


I am putting about half of each pay check I recieve into the bank.
I am more worried about my future than having a good Looking car right now/
I am very happy with my self to have started my retirement fund when I was 16 years old with my own money. Along with another.


Here are some pics, Yes, Its POS but, thats what the begining of some project cars look like.

I got it looking like this, I'm getting the exhuast redone this week,(it came wih the magna flow fart can.) along with other "exterior" items. But I already replaced all "wear" items in the susp.
Along with New motor mounts with ES Inserts, and other things.


And IMO I like the way my car looks, For example, This pic.
Yah It would look nice with rims/tires and other things. But it works for now.






Those are the only decent pics I have, they even suck except one of them.

I'm putting the hubcaps back on but I have to find other ones becuase I can no longer use the old ones becuase My aprents bought me new lugnut with lock set
(YES I KNOW They dont really help with anything) But this car has been stolen once. Thats why I ordered momo Hub, NRG Quik Release, Momo steering wheel.
Alarm system, and I have full coverage.


"hella camber"? Where? lol. Its no longer 2.5 becuase I raised it back up.
There are the pic to show you where it sits now.
I dont have any rubs spots either, It doesnt rub.

How did this turn into "bash on this guys POS DA" I was asking a tech question about Camber.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoonjdmdc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you dont have a camber kit or you do? depends how low your car is and what car it is. thats why i said to avoid bad camber wear you should be within the factory spec range. for instance we just put omnipower sports in my cousins ek, no camber kit. theres about a half inch between the tires and the fender. but his camber angles are maybe off a half degree tops from stock, it all depends on how much you lower it. its maybe a 1.75 inch drop id say.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sorry, i wasnt clear. i don't have a camer kit and i am a lil over 2.5 all the way around in an 92 civic hatch.

 

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Bull.... Camber Wear is not a fast it take many many thosands of miles to show up, in fact you usually won't notice until it is time to get new tires. I ran for over 2 years with -2.7 up front and -1.8 on the rear (both out of spec) and after 35000 miles on my street tires, the outside was at the wear bars and the inside was just about bald.

 

Excessive negative camber will not wear tires as fast as toe that is out of spec. Plus camber and toe will produce different wear patterns if out of spec.

I did my alignment recently and with 1.8-2.0 degrees of negative camber, I added a little toe in to move the contact patch closer to the middle of the tire.

That and tire rotations every 5000km are keeping all of my tires in good shape.

 

90DA9IntegraRS, i would not want to dial out any of my negative camber due to lowering unless i was purely into straight line grip, drag racing. dont waste your money on a camber kit otherwise. -2.5 camber is pretty good actually.

you seem to already know that you just need to fix the toe. just do that, and youll be fine.

btw, a friend of mine also wore out his set of ES100's really quick after lowering his car, before he had time to get an alignment. these tires seem to be really sensative to toe.


Modified by Tyson at 1:13 PM 12/7/2005

 

Ok thanks guys, It's set, No camber kit.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

 

i just want to add that when i had my civic i lowered the car quite a bit (too much, but i didnt understand that that was bad) my camber was really negative. i coundlt say a numerical value in degrees but it was pretty ******* rough. i went through a set of tires in less than a week. seriously. i thought it was because of the camber so i ordered camber kits for all four corners and i put those on and adjusted them to the best of my ability, but id did not have the car aligned. a few months later i had worn my front tires down too the point that they didnt actually pop they just one day develeped a slit that was about nine inches long on the inside of the tire. the outside of the tire was barley worn but thye inside had litterally been grinded down to nothingness. i decied to get some new tires and actually have an alignment. my camber in the front was still really negative but they adjusted the toe. adjusting the toe fixed my problems. i thought that the camber was the problem but once the toe was adjusted i ran the same camber i allways had and it had no noticable effect on my tires.

also, anyone ever look ath the back tires on a stock 350z? they are quite negative from factory.

again, bad toe ruins tires. with good toe then camber isnt a real issue and you can handle way better with negative camber

 

I work at NTB and I do alignments all day long. Toe is what wears out tires but, it mainly depends on the tire but if u have a higher profile tire it wont really cause premature tire wear but, if u have a low profile tire like 45 or lower it will be a little bit more noticeable. and caster does not wear out tires either

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
btw, a friend of mine also wore out his set of ES100's really quick after lowering his car, before he had time to get an alignment. these tires seem to be really sensative to toe.


Modified by Tyson at 1:13 PM 12/7/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is a very accurate assesment i would say. i had a set of es100's in march when i put my header in. this involved dropping the front crossmember and i didnt think to get and alignment. 3 months later my tires were gone completely to the second layer of rubber. toe eats tires camber improves handling.

 

Dirty


DA9 ****






looks much better with a simple wash.


This thread still going?
Lock thread/

 

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This thread still going?
Lock thread/</TD></TR></TABLE>

no lock.

keep it for others to be demystified about camber.

also, why dont you come back in a few weeks/months and let us know how your tires are doing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoonjdmdc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok well this just seems rediculous....... you NEED to have your camber set within factory specs to not get bad camber wear. when my gsr was stock i was showing camber wear on the inside rears of my avs es100's. i assure you that after you get your alighnment you will burn all the rubber off the inside of your tire. plus, with all that camber, take your wheel off and check out the inside of your fender well..... yea - see all those rub spots? NOT good! damn camber kit all around would run you 200 bucks just do it! why be ghetto about it!!?!?!


kids with slammed hondas on steelies with hella camber and fart pipes are what give us true honda guys a bad name...... lemme guess do you have altezzas too?</TD></TR></TABLE>


dont be a ******* *****.

on my miata and on my integra, i run around 2 degrees of negative camber, ZERO ******* TOE, and dont get a bit of "camber" wear. maybe becuase i dont use a piecce of garbage shitbag tire like an avses100