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For the last couple months, i have been looking into doing a b20b swap, but because of so many people around me doing it, and none of them having the performance i expected, i decided to go with b16.
Right now i am looking at the LSD b16a obd0 kit from passwordjdm.com
I have a 1989 civic hatch SI that it will be dropped in to.
right now in my garage i already have quite a few b-series parts including:

ITR Header
ITR Pistons
Skunk 2 manifold
greddy complete exhaust
skunk 2 cams
edelbrock adjustable cam gear
edelbrock victor-x intake
Bride 2 seats
those are all the parts i have in my garage right now.

Just wondering if going with a b16a would be smart. I am in highschool, young, but i do know what I am doing, so please do not bring my age into this. I am currently working 3 jobs so i can afford all of my stuff for my car.

my goal is by time i am 19 (3 years) to be running a mid 12 or so OR 240ish WHP (whichever comes first)

 

I would keep only the itr header and greddy exhaust. Sell the other stuff. itr intake mani, intake cam and valve springs. Then some decent management with a tune. that would be a nice place to start. being thats its your first build, try and keep things simple

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89HatchSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright
For the last couple months, i have been looking into doing a b20b swap, but because of so many people around me doing it, and none of them having the performance i expected, i decided to go with b16.
Right now i am looking at the LSD b16a obd0 kit from passwordjdm.com
I have a 1989 civic hatch SI that it will be dropped in to.
right now in my garage i already have quite a few b-series parts including:

ITR Header
ITR Pistons
Skunk 2 manifold
greddy complete exhaust
skunk 2 cams
edelbrock adjustable cam gear
edelbrock victor-x intake
Bride 2 seats
those are all the parts i have in my garage right now.

Just wondering if going with a b16a would be smart. I am in highschool, young, but i do know what I am doing, so please do not bring my age into this. I am currently working 3 jobs so i can afford all of my stuff for my car.

my goal is by time i am 19 (3 years) to be running a mid 12 or so OR 240ish WHP (whichever comes first)
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get a clue. theer is no way your gonna get 240whp out of a stock bore/stroke B16.
Sheepey's built 2.0l B16 is pushing out 220ish and thats probably close to record

 

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get a clue. theer is no way your gonna get 240whp out of a stock bore/stroke B16.
Sheepey's built 2.0l B16 is pushing out 220ish and thats probably close to record</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not even with the bride seats? lol

But sheepeys motor is not stock bore or stroke either. I assumed he wasnt refering to his b16 making 240, just making it somehow in 3 years?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89HatchSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright
For the last couple months, i have been looking into doing a b20b swap, but because of so many people around me doing it, and none of them having the performance i expected, i decided to go with b16.
Right now i am looking at the LSD b16a obd0 kit from passwordjdm.com
I have a 1989 civic hatch SI that it will be dropped in to.
right now in my garage i already have quite a few b-series parts including:

ITR Header
ITR Pistons
Skunk 2 manifold
greddy complete exhaust
skunk 2 cams
edelbrock adjustable cam gear
edelbrock victor-x intake
Bride 2 seats
those are all the parts i have in my garage right now.

Just wondering if going with a b16a would be smart. I am in highschool, young, but i do know what I am doing, so please do not bring my age into this. I am currently working 3 jobs so i can afford all of my stuff for my car.

my goal is by time i am 19 (3 years) to be running a mid 12 or so OR 240ish WHP (whichever comes first)
</TD></TR></TABLE>Shouldnt be too hard to get you into the mid 12's in an ef. As long as your a good driver. But what is your budget? depending on much you have to spend and how patient you are i would peice together an Ls-vtec set-up. Very cost effective and yeilds great whp if built correctly. With the new cast pistons that have been released...a b2ovtec sounds like a smart choice aswell.

 

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Not even with the bride seats? lol

But sheepeys motor is not stock bore or stroke either. I assumed he wasnt refering to his b16 making 240, just making it somehow in 3 years?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Im aware its not 1600cc thats why I put 2.0l
I helped assemble Ill Will's B16 and it is onne of the highest HP stock bore/stroke B16's that I know of, really close to Omniman LL W!LL's B16 Dyno Results! Stock bore/stroke! OEM Honda! 200+whp
But yes there is no way he's going to get 240ish out of that setup. Maybe 170-180 max.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GUILOTINE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But yes there is no way he's going to get 240ish out of that setup. Maybe 170-180 max.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you talking about my setup here? or the original poster? But yea if you are referring to a stock bore and stroke b16, yeah its gonna take alot more...btw that intake Mani is tooo big for a 1.6 NA motor...its too big for mine, its not going to work on yours. Good luck with your build.

*EDIT* yea sorry i didnt read the entire thing well, you are refering to the original poster...sorry bro

 

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Im aware its not 1600cc thats why I put 2.0l
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No big deal, I was nitpicking the part where you said record. Maybe for a block that says b16, but not an 85x89 motor. Ill wills motor is strong, props

 

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Are you talking about my setup here? or the original poster? But yea if you are referring to a stock bore and stroke b16, yeah its gonna take alot more...btw that intake Mani is tooo big for a 1.6 NA motor...its too big for mine, its not going to work on yours. Good luck with your build.

*EDIT* yea sorry i didnt read the entire thing well, you are refering to the original poster...sorry bro</TD></TR></TABLE>
no biggie, I just told him the highest HP NA B16 that I know of is yours even though i know its really a 2.0l

As far as stock bore/storke B16 200ish is about maximum with real good parts. I dont think the parts he has listed will acomplish that IMHO

 

You still have alot to learn man. BTW: Itr pistons in a b16 will lower the compression, you might want to go CTR if you want to stick OEM. You have 2 intake manifolds on your list. Just keep reading **** on honda-tech, most of them are true. Also it will be better if you just convert it to obd1.

 

didnt say i was going to be using all of those parts. those are parts i have in my garage that i was going to use on my b18b but everywhere i have checked, cheapest place around ehre that will rebuild it is 2700 for pulling motor and tranny, rebuild, and dropping it back in.

I found a b20z in a junkyard however that i may pick up.

Budget is about 7 grand (have about 11, but putting some into a CD)
I DO NOT WANT K20 OR H22 DO NOT RECCOMMEND IT

 

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my goal is by time i am 19 (3 years) to be running a mid 12 or so OR 240ish WHP (whichever comes first)</TD></TR></TABLE>


aim for the sky.....i was running 12's when i was like 16 or 17....
i was knocking on 11's when i was like 19
crash the 11 sec club party when i was 20

all you need is 185 wheel hp to run 12's (if you are a good driver that is)

 

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aim for the sky.....i was running 12's when i was like 16 or 17....
i was knocking on 11's when i was like 19
crash the 11 sec club party when i was 20

all you need is 185 wheel hp to run 12's (if you are a good driver that is)</TD></TR></TABLE> nice was the 11's in a street car?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89HatchSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">didnt say i was going to be using all of those parts. those are parts i have in my garage that i was going to use on my b18b but everywhere i have checked, cheapest place around ehre that will rebuild it is 2700 for pulling motor and tranny, rebuild, and dropping it back in.

I found a b20z in a junkyard however that i may pick up.

Budget is about 7 grand (have about 11, but putting some into a CD)
I DO NOT WANT K20 OR H22 DO NOT RECCOMMEND IT</TD></TR></TABLE>7K? wow mommy n daddy loves you lol. I say Peice together your own Ls-vtec. if built right the motor will be capable of low 12's.

 

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I found a b20z in a junkyard however that i may pick up.

Budget is about 7 grand (have about 11, but putting some into a CD)
I DO NOT WANT K20 OR H22 DO NOT RECCOMMEND IT</TD></TR></TABLE>


if you wanna get a nice built up b16a, I have a good setup, its an 86mm bore B16a block with stock b16a stroke ... comes out to around 1.8 liters ... I can;t imagine this setup making under 220whp on a dynojet ... so if interested, I'd love to get rid of it even though I'd prfer to keep it but expenses. PM me if anything.

Greg

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89HatchSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">didnt say i was going to be using all of those parts. those are parts i have in my garage that i was going to use on my b18b but everywhere i have checked, cheapest place around ehre that will rebuild it is 2700 for pulling motor and tranny, rebuild, and dropping it back in.

I found a b20z in a junkyard however that i may pick up.

Budget is about 7 grand (have about 11, but putting some into a CD)
I DO NOT WANT K20 OR H22 DO NOT RECCOMMEND IT</TD></TR></TABLE>

Holy 2700, does that include parts? I dropped my car off for a rebuild but I provided most of the parts, I hope its not near 2700! I should have asked them how much it would cost before I left, haha.

 

i have saved up most of the money, i have 11,700ish in my bank but am no tspending all of it. the 2700 is with them including poarts

 

So, i have decided to go with a b-20z swap like origionally planned.