Would this be better than having a b16? i can get ahold of one easily, i just have to know if its even worth my time.

also, do u guys know what intake manifold fits the b17 so that i can lose that ugly manifold?(obd0)

 

b17=more displacement which= more torque and thats a good thing to me b16s are wayyyy under torqued...id go with the b17

 

Thats great man. no i need to find a manifold that'll fit in there, so that i can get rid of this ugly one

 

B17 No doubt. Trust me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B17 No doubt. Trust me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

QUE?
i trust noone!

 

b17 in a 98 = not leagle. if you want your car to be leagle you need a 98 up motor!.....(know its off topic but just thought you should know if you didn't already)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lauj87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b17 in a 98 = not leagle. if you want your car to be leagle you need a 98 up motor!.....(know its off topic but just thought you should know if you didn't already)</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is correct.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sikciv666 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

this is correct.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Shhesssh, i knew that. But I need teh VTECH! (vtec, i know, i know.)

I would LSV, but id rather wait and build my LS, slowly, while still running the b17. reason why i am doing this, is because the car CANT be down for long, my girl needs it for school and stuff.

But anyways, will the obd1 b16 intake manifold fit? GSR? TYPE aR?

The obd0 manifold is too ugly, makes my car look like a DA

 

im pretty sure it should bolt right up. but just becareful in the mean time with the b17. cops can be really gay sometimes and just tell you to pop your hood outta know where like they did my brother. he got his car towed beause his transmission didn't have a vin number on it...and its a 95 motor, don't think they even came up with the vin for the tranny untill 96! soo know we have to go sue the city and get some money for it! we showed them reciepts of the motor and transmission and they said it wasn't enough proof. WTF! so there still holding his car!...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lauj87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im pretty sure it should bolt right up. but just becareful in the mean time with the b17. cops can be really gay sometimes and just tell you to pop your hood outta know where like they did my brother. he got his car towed beause his transmission didn't have a vin number on it...and its a 95 motor, don't think they even came up with the vin for the tranny untill 96! soo know we have to go sue the city and get some money for it! we showed them reciepts of the motor and transmission and they said it wasn't enough proof. WTF! so there still holding his car!...</TD></TR></TABLE>

What a bunch of ******** man. Thats totally fucked up, definetly sue.

Anyways, im no street racer or a road rager. im like a grandma when it comes to driving....literally. nothing over 70, shift at 4, and keep the eyes on the road, heh.

I'll try and see if i can borrow a manifold so that when i get my motor i can try it.

but if anyone knows from experience let me know

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shhesssh, i knew that. But I need teh VTECH! (vtec, i know, i know.)

I would LSV, but id rather wait and build my LS, slowly, while still running the b17. reason why i am doing this, is because the car CANT be down for long, my girl needs it for school and stuff.

But anyways, will the obd1 b16 intake manifold fit? GSR? TYPE aR?

The obd0 manifold is too ugly, makes my car look like a DA</TD></TR></TABLE>

umm I have no idea of what you are talking about. All b17's are OBD1. They were produced in 92-93 integra's and they were all OBD1. The b17 uses the same head as a b16 which in return means you can use either a b16 manifold or a type R manifold. Hope this helps. And next time don't spread wrong information everywhere because when noobies read that stuff they spread it also.

 

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Even though that post was towards the top, I just have to comment. The B16s have soooo little torque? 116 ft/lbs.
(Sourced from here http://asian_e.tripod.com/Honda_Engine_Specs.htm)

And what does that say the B17s have? Wow, 117 ft/lbs! Holy ****! Damn that .1 litre difference gained the engine a whopping 1 ft/lb of torque!

It's a Honda, of course it doesn't have a lot of torque.

Factor in how rare a B17 is, vs a B16, and then look at the price. Bang for your buck, go for the B16. And yes, I read the post, I know he can get a B17 "easily". So by all means, go for it. That's bragging rights right there.

Just don't flame on this "huge" torque difference of a B16 vs a B17...

I have a B16A (2nd gen, 170hp) in my 92 teg. Do some poeple think it's a stupid swap? Yah. Do I? No. Does my brothers 90 Integra (mint condition, 130k miles) with a stock B18A1 jump me off the line? You bet. But by the time I'm shifting at 8600 out of first gear, I'm right back up there with him...and just keep pulling away after that. And yes, we've switched cars and get the same result.

This is my mini novel I had to write, sorry to steal the thread for a bit. I just get annoyed at the ingnorance of some when it comes to displacement, torque, etc.

So let me help you out with info on intake manifolds (from what I remember off the top of my head)

The B17A can use intake manifolds off of a:
B18C5 (Type R)
B16A 1/2/3 (Del Sol, Civic, etc)

You can't use a B18C1 (GSR) intake mani because the bolt pattern is different, or something to that extent.

And listen to RedDA, he's right.

-- Kevin

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b62pteg#2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Even though that post was towards the top, I just have to comment. The B16s have soooo little torque? 116 ft/lbs.
(Sourced from here http://asian_e.tripod.com/Honda_Engine_Specs.htm)

And what does that say the B17s have? Wow, 117 ft/lbs! Holy ****! Damn that .1 litre difference gained the engine a whopping 1 ft/lb of torque!

It's a Honda, of course it doesn't have a lot of torque.

Factor in how rare a B17 is, vs a B16, and then look at the price. Bang for your buck, go for the B16. And yes, I read the post, I know he can get a B17 "easily". So by all means, go for it. That's bragging rights right there.

Just don't flame on this "huge" torque difference of a B16 vs a B17...

I have a B16A (2nd gen, 170hp) in my 92 teg. Do some poeple think it's a stupid swap? Yah. Do I? No. Does my brothers 90 Integra (mint condition, 130k miles) with a stock B18A1 jump me off the line? You bet. But by the time I'm shifting at 8600 out of first gear, I'm right back up there with him...and just keep pulling away after that. And yes, we've switched cars and get the same result.

This is my mini novel I had to write, sorry to steal the thread for a bit. I just get annoyed at the ingnorance of some when it comes to displacement, torque, etc.

So let me help you out with info on intake manifolds (from what I remember off the top of my head)

The B17A can use intake manifolds off of a:
B18C5 (Type R)
B16A 1/2/3 (Del Sol, Civic, etc)

You can't use a B18C1 (GSR) intake mani because the bolt pattern is different, or something to that extent.

And listen to RedDA, he's right.

-- Kevin</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nice one Kevin Thanks. As for bragging rights, i didnt mean to put it that way, sorry. But my bros eg got towed away, and it had a b17. Hes not taking it out, so im gonna go ahead and get it for me. I'd hate for someone else to do it.

And its like they say, vtec is better than no VTEC.

Good post man...you really got to the point thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Nice one Kevin Thanks. As for bragging rights, i didnt mean to put it that way, sorry. But my bros eg got towed away, and it had a b17. Hes not taking it out, so im gonna go ahead and get it for me. I'd hate for someone else to do it.

And its like they say, vtec is better than no VTEC.

Good post man...you really got to the point thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>


...OWNED :-D

 

ahh fawk quoted wrong person....i just been owned!

 

Joon-

I meant no sacrasm about the bragging rights for a B17A. If you have one, thats awesome, and you really do have the rights to brag. It's even better that you're getting one from someone you know, so you know its condition, mileage, etc. Props to you!

Glad my post helped, and yes, I also believe that VTEC is better then no VTEC. It's just so damn fun shifting at 8600 all day every day and not having to worry...and then there's the sound Ok I'll shutup. Good luck with the swap

-- Kevin

 

just remember the b17 has a cable tranny which you cant use in your 98. if you plan on using your LS tranny you will be greatly dissapointed.

 

ya B17's are OBD1.

as for the Intake Manifold, B16, B17, ITR all interchangeable.

B17 and B16 pretty much the same motor. No difference.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92integraVTECgsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ya B17's are OBD1.

as for the Intake Manifold, B16, B17, ITR all interchangeable.

B17 and B16 pretty much the same motor. No difference.

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Yeah, Honda seemed to have achieved an extra .1 litres out of an engine Identical to another, and decided to just put a different block code on it....

Maybe some day after years and years of reading, and working on cars I too will be able to achieve this feat, except hopefully in the form of using all Stock sized OEM honda b16a Parts, and miraculously achieving 2.0 litres.

And on a sidenote: will someone inform me when hell freezes over, that way I'll know when my engine has reached 2.0 litres on completely stock sized internals?

 

as an owener of a b17, i;d definaely say go with the b17 over a b16 anyydayy

 

you're telling him to grow up because he wants something on his car to look different..sounds pretty stupid to me considering thats what a lot of this site is based on..modding your car the way you want or whatever. just my opinion dont mean to flame or anything.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nothinginteresting &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea, I love how you are bitching about the torque differences over a tenth of a liter, really, its pathetic.

Alright Mr. Im a honda know it all


Oh, and if you're changing your manifold just b/c of the way it looks, thats pathetic as well.

It looks like the b16 obd 0 intake manifold. I want something simpler that'll work with my harness *******. (HINT: Map sensor on throttle body)

Grow up.

I Sure will man, im only 19

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not to flame...but...ignorance with displacement...i dunno man...ive raced plenty of b16 hatches and handed them their ***...im not just sayin just off the line... but up to about 100 mph...i dunno if its a coinkidink that all of them just dont know how to drive...or...if displacement plays a factor...and about teh b17 thing...my bad for postin up invalid info...1 ft/lb more...oh well..in my opinion...more displacement=better no matter how small

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b62pteg#2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Even though that post was towards the top, I just have to comment. The B16s have soooo little torque? 116 ft/lbs.
(Sourced from here http://asian_e.tripod.com/Honda_Engine_Specs.htm)

And what does that say the B17s have? Wow, 117 ft/lbs! Holy ****! Damn that .1 litre difference gained the engine a whopping 1 ft/lb of torque!

It's a Honda, of course it doesn't have a lot of torque.

Factor in how rare a B17 is, vs a B16, and then look at the price. Bang for your buck, go for the B16. And yes, I read the post, I know he can get a B17 "easily". So by all means, go for it. That's bragging rights right there.

Just don't flame on this "huge" torque difference of a B16 vs a B17...

I have a B16A (2nd gen, 170hp) in my 92 teg. Do some poeple think it's a stupid swap? Yah. Do I? No. Does my brothers 90 Integra (mint condition, 130k miles) with a stock B18A1 jump me off the line? You bet. But by the time I'm shifting at 8600 out of first gear, I'm right back up there with him...and just keep pulling away after that. And yes, we've switched cars and get the same result.

This is my mini novel I had to write, sorry to steal the thread for a bit. I just get annoyed at the ingnorance of some when it comes to displacement, torque, etc.

So let me help you out with info on intake manifolds (from what I remember off the top of my head)

The B17A can use intake manifolds off of a:
B18C5 (Type R)
B16A 1/2/3 (Del Sol, Civic, etc)

You can't use a B18C1 (GSR) intake mani because the bolt pattern is different, or something to that extent.

And listen to RedDA, he's right.

-- Kevin</TD></TR></TABLE>

and your info is wrong.....the b17 has 117fl/lbs the b16a's have 111 for first gen and 113 for the second gen.

hell that whole site basically wrong...i would trust nor think any info from that site is reputable.

and also i might add the b17 is basically a b16(block and head wise) the only difference is the b17 has a larger stoke.

for miss infomation... for a good try though.

oh and why the hell are you running a stock b16 to 8600? thats kinda retarded if you ask me. they red line stock at 8200 for a reason.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b62pteg#2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Joon-
I meant no sacrasm about the bragging rights for a B17A. If you have one, thats awesome, and you really do have the rights to brag. It's even better that you're getting one from someone you know, so you know its condition, mileage, etc. Props to you!

Glad my post helped, and yes, I also believe that VTEC is better then no VTEC. It's just so damn fun shifting at 8600 all day every day and not having to worry...and then there's the sound Ok I'll shutup. Good luck with the swap

-- Kevin

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lol id honestly have non-vtec...lol, just because i like being the underdog and taking out gsrs...lol, like i did tonight .

i still dont see why your pissing a stock b16 to 8600. i think your tachs off

 

project -

Obviously I'm not as smart as you and don't know randomly off the top of my head which site is trustworthy, and which site is not. The whole reason I gave that site as a reference was so that poeple knew where I got the info from. You've informed it's wrong. Thanks.

2nd, my entire point of that rant was to show that, even with your figures, there's a whopping 4 ft/lbs. difference between a B16A (2nd gen) and B17A, and that cost wise, it would be better to go with the B16A (except for this guys case, since he has access to a B17). 2nd, from that site, it had the torque listed in kgm, and i had to convert (though two things) to get it to ft/lbs...that could also be why it's off.

And I rev my B16 to 8600 because I want to, and because I can. I knew my "I like VTEC" comment was going to stir up all the non VTECers out there because there will always be an arguement as to who likes VTEC and who doesn't. To each his own. I respect you just as much as the next guy with or without VTEC. You're doin you're own thing, so whatever works.

If I want to blow up my B16, let me Thanks though for correcting my figures. Care to share your site for correct info, because I'de like to add it to my ever growing list of Honda info.

Thanks -

Kevin