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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 04:40 PM
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okay, im going to make this nice and easy

1. i installed a new clutch (exedy), using their kit
2. i pulled the whole swap out, used the alignment tool and rebolted the clutch
3. i reused the oem shift fork and throwout bearing (it was kind of loose)
4. bolted the tranny and longblock together and reinstalled it in my car
5. i rebled the clutch line a couple times, the clutch is nice and hard
6. the car wont shift when the car is on, but will shift when the car is off
7. you can also feel your foot vibrate when its just touching the clutch petal when the car is on
8. i also checked to see if there was any fluids from the master cylinder and i didnt see any so im thinking its not that nor the clutch line
9. when you physically try to push the shift fork, it does slide back and forth, but it does not have that nice push to it (i tried it on another working gsr and it has a nice push back and forth to it)

--now i did search, and everywhere i searched it says its the clutch. now being that its a new clutch kit and there really is no way of putting the clutch/pressure plate on wrong. im thinking maybe theres a chance that the throwout bearing mightve fell off when i was reinstalling the tranny to block even though i didnt hear it move or fall off the fork. now i just want to make sure i eliminate all the possibilities before i have to take that damn swap back out.

any help would be great

***UPDATE A LIL LOWER DOWN


Modified by pennies_hatchie at 7:27 PM 12/4/2005
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:23 PM
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To be honest know one can really know for sure they can only give a good guess but the only way to know for sure is take it back apart and revise your work..
just my 2 cents
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:24 PM
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did you replace the pilot bearing?
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:29 PM
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was the clutch torqued? does the clutch fork move as much as it should? the fork should pretty much go from one end of the square hole to the other.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 06:20 PM
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i dont think you mentioned if you too the line off the slave cylinder sooo.. did you bleed the clutch? does it feel like the clutch is working correctly. i had a similar problem with mine, it felt like it was only coming up half way when you press the pedal all the way down. hopefully you torqued everything correctly.. did you grease the release bearing? and check for air and also check you master cylinder because sometimes it can leak internally.
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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okay, i just took the swap out again and took off the tranny to redo my steps.

1. the flywheel looks good, the clutch and pressure plate is good (its on the pins on the flywheel).
2. the fork does go from one end to the other, the throw out bearing slides smooth (this is when the tranny is apart still) BUT once you put it together, the fork when you move it, falls off the ball thats on the tranny. and if you look inside, you can see that sometimes the throw out bearing doesnt even move. it will move sometimes, but about 80% of the time, it wont move.

now im thinking that because the fork is falling off the ball, maybe its due to the fork. so i replaced the fork and the throw out bearing with new ones. same thing. any more ideas??? and also, im not sure if its suppose to be like that or not, but i dont want to put it back in and have to redo it a 3rd time. thanks in advance
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 05:56 PM
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ttt
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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is the clutch disk on backwards?
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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i had the same problem and the clutch disc was backwards im sure thats it
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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the fork falls off the ball? Is there that springy type thing that holds the fork to the ball? you gotta have that otherwise it will come loose when you let go or push on it
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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 06:52 PM
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the clutch bolts should only be tightened to around 19ft lbs (DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN!!!!)
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 05:40 AM
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Actually, I think 25-30ft lbs is okay.... just don't go too crazy...
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 06:50 AM
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the clutch bolts should only be tightened to around 19ft lbs (DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN!!!!)

I 2nd this you need enough room for the disk to disengage the flywheel or else it won't work or you will burn it up to quickly
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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no clutch was not put on backwards, the clutch bolts was tighten to 20 lbs only. i did however got a new fork and it fits on the ball now without it falling off. the other fork did have the spring in the back, but it just wouldnt hold on to the tranny ball tight enough (kept falling off) ive bolted it back and its in the car now, but ill let you know once i finish the swap. damn its cold in MN today
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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UPDATE: i finally got done with the swap and i got it to go into gear now. the culprit was the shift fork that holds the throw out bearing. reason being, the metal clip on the back was not tight enough so it kept falling off the tranny ball when you moved it. so when i first did it, i didnt check, assuming that it would work properly. but now with the 2nd one, it moves perfect back and forth.

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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 08:35 PM
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hey glad you got it worked out

btw, for those complaining of your new clutch engaging too high, you might want to tighten your pressure plate bolts a bit more

not tight enough or too tight are both problematic... you wanna have it at a place where it will hold down the disc very tight but not tight enough to crack the disc or not disenage it...

if you don't tighten enough, the disc won't be able to hold the power well, could slip, and engage high among other problems

i had to find a 10mm 12pt metric socket so that i could tighten the bolts through the starter hole because i didn't want to take the tranny off once again... i tightened it to 30ft lbs with my harbor freight torque wrench... problem fixed!
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