ITS Alfa GTV-6/Milano
Other than the obvious insanity of driving one of these things on a racetrack, it seems like a good car for the class. Similar power to the BMW with a bunch less weight. Not ever going to happen, as opposed to my next entry:

ITA BMW Z3 1.9 at 2675 with 16" wheels
Can make a bunch of power and torque and use 245's, nice big brakes, lots of aftermarket options out there and a hardtop available, some SSB cars out there might make good starting points, and with the FWD Integra "only" 120 lbs lighter, I bet it could scare some people. These things are cheap as hell to buy now too. I'm surprised I haven't heard of more of them being built for IT.

I'd also personally love to see some old Audis built for ITB, and I want an ITC 914.

 

Benz 190E

/karl

 

ITA lunchbox.

w00t!

 

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After thinking about it, I'd have to agree with you on the Alfa.

.rj-

Didn't SPS actually give up the ghost with their ITA lunchbox? IRC they had some money in that car.

 

ITA Neon ACR SOHC.

2 liters, good gearing, big brakes, 4 door rigidity, and 2400lbs IIRC.
Rated at 132/132 stock, and the motor is generally thought to be bulletproof.

The suspension geometry is the suck, but as Mr. Amy proved at the ARRC this year, you can overcome alot of suspension suck with big tq, big hp, and big brakes.

They are dirt cheap too.

If one of those old SSB/C guys who really knows how to make these things go decides to 100% build one (as Amy has done with the Nissan)... Look out Hondas.

 

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I am with you on this one. The car on paper has so much going for. Factory under rated engine, usual BMW over build brakes, drive line, suspension, etc parts. Plus they never change the mechanical designs much, so years of BMW go-fast know how transfers over. Isn't the rear end of that car basically an E30? The S.Club geezers only give you 15" wheels, but that seems fair considering most cars in A came with 14s. There was some talk on IT.com about builing one a while back, but I am not sure what happened of it.

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There are some around.

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You might get your wish soonish .....

Some of my other picks:
* ACR Peon like the ones uncle Catch likes.
* Last gen Celica GT in A. Seems like a good match for the DA.
* Last gen Celica GTS in S.
* EK Civic hatch in A assuming it has the SOHC VTEC motor from the Civic EX classed now.

 

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Someone was running one a few years back. Very nicely prepped car, but it broke many parts...and often (no big surprise there!).

 

W41 Achieva SCX! Dumbestic power owns joo. I think they're still in ITS.

Pat

 

There are a few guys running the z3 but the problem is with 138hp its heavy and thats without a cage.

As for the Neon. There was one in the ARRC in ITA.. but it blew the motor

 

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Is the good SCX classed? What about the Cutlas Calais W-41 HO?

I've always like the Quad-4 GM cars, but my experience watching two people autocross them in my region is that they break down frequently. Go figure

 

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But you can pull a whole mess of weight ouf of the thing - bmw luxo items are not lightweight. Its 2675 with driver - I think it would really shine on high speed tracks, but a place like CMP it'd get run over and punted off into the sand by CRX's.

 

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But you can pull a whole mess of weight ouf of the thing - bmw luxo items are not lightweight. Its 2675 with driver - I think it would really shine on high speed tracks, but a place like CMP it'd get run over and punted off into the sand by CRX's.</TD></TR></TABLE>

True. There is probably over 100lbs of sound deadening in it. Not to mention the 95lbs seats...

The power band is relatively spikey.. Its all up around 3000-4000rpm.. falls off hard after that

 

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Header, Intake, ECU tuning will help that.

 

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There hasn't been any real development done on that motor. The street car weenies slap a blower on them all the time, but nobody has worked out how to make more power NA yet. Which isn't to say it cant be done. The M44 is basically 2/3 of the M50 which I think most people agree can put 190HP on the ground. Conservative estimate is the M44 should be able to put 144HP on the ground with some development

The E30 rear suspension isn't a feature, its a bug. It is teh sux0r

FWIW, Aryan (owner of CarGuys) bought one of the ex TC Kline SSB cars and is planning on running it. We shall see what happens.

 

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They do, I tried for years to run my Quad 4 H.O Beretta GTZ in auto-x and track days/Solo I. It wasn't great. Awesome motor, really really really bad gearing, life risking brakes, and horrible build quality/reliability.
I still have a soft spot for those cars, but when I bought my old 92 Si hatch as a daily, and tried it at a solo I for a hoot, I almost instantly sold the GTZ.

 

As much as I agree with Spiff that it would be cool, there will never be a VTEC EK hatchback in ITA since that car never came with that engine. If the VIN requirement rule gets changed, it would be possible to build an Si EG out of a DX but the newer generation can't happen.

When it first became age-eligible for IT, Eric Heuschle (fast NEON Challenge guy and Mopar engineer, I think) built a NEON. Pictures of it even had "ITA" on the side, indicating that it was built BEFORE SCCA put it in ITS. Oops! That car would be a well developed option today, if it weren't for that move on the club's part. The specimen at the ARRC wasn't really up to snuff but it's got huge potential.

Those GM products make a 20 minute regional seem like an enduro.

If I had relatives in Italy, I'd build a kick-*** ITC Fiat 124 Sport Coupe.

K

 

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OPM used to run one.
Handled awful.
Broke ALOT.
Ran over everybody on the straights, including BMWs.

Tom just got tired of dealing with the unreliability. I have no idea where it is now.

 

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Looks neat, too.

 

I call BS on that photo. It's obviously photoshopped. There is no smoke or fluids coming out of the car.

 

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A dude named Greg Hartley sucessfully ran an ITC Fiat 124 in SARRC, early 1990's. Gave us Honda boyz a fit!

 

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There are still 2 yellow ones around, but they are quite slow. I've run against them twice and lapped both of them each time.

And I will say one thing for the Alfas. They make some sweeeeeeet noise at WOT.

 

I'll throw in another vote for the Neon. I have a buddy who used to be into the Neon performance business. From what I was able to glean from him, I think that car has a lot of potential. I remember thinking "In the right hands, that car could be a winner" when it bacame eligiable for ITA.

So yeah, I would like to see one built with "no excuses".

 

There are 1 or 2 Z3s in the NER. I have read over at IT.com that the ECU goes into limp mode with the ABS disabled. I think you will have real trouble getting the rated flywheel HP numbers at the wheels with any of the BMW 4cyl ITA options.

I personally have been pondering the E30 318is for an ITA car. I just think that its going to be down on power, and its got the aero of a brick. I've spoken to my motor guy about the M42 at length. Intake tuning is near worthless, other than making more noise, the car is equipped with an AFM (barn door type system) which is a huge bottleneck for any intake airflow. I haven't seen any real header development, the stock one is very good, but there could be maybe a couple HP there. The most power that I've seen one put down is 104hp/90lb/ft on the P1 dyno, in a perfect running, low mileage example.

How much of a HP spread is there with the ARRC leaders. The Nissan is a bullet in a straight line, and the Integras are nothing to sneeze at either.

I really want a 318is in ITA, but for the same "racing dollars" I can have an Integra or CRX that has a proven recipe for a car that is at the front...

Convince me otherwise please... I have a donor car waiting for me

 

There are solutions for the ECU problem. They're expensive, but they're available. I just doubt a whole bunch that the car has been developed by a serious participant. Maybe if the car was a BMWCCA car as well people would care about them more and actually fix the problems.

 

1990-1991 Geo Storm GSi in ITB. 130 hp/ 105 torque stock. 248mm front discs, 200mm rear drums, 2380 pounds.

If you prefer rear disc:

1991 Isuzu Stylus XS (a four door) in ITB. 130 hp/ 105 torque stock. 246mm front discs, 254mm rear discs, 2430 pounds.

Each near-ITA power-to-weight...each completely overlooked.