I went into Honda knowing what my problem was with my car, missalignment in the 5th gear fork, and they take apart ym transmission and find one pencil shaving of metal, and tell me I need a whole new transmission, I asked them to just fix the fork and put my tranny back together. They pretty much said expletive you we cant do it because you need a new tranny, I would do it myself but the marine corps wont give me enough time, My question is Do you think that the little piece of metal is that serious?

 

depends on how big this little piece of metal is?

metal shavings come out when I change my tranny oil quite often anytime you grind a shift then that more or likely causes some metal shavings.

 

yeah i was thinking the same thing, the metal that did come out was tiny

 

IS it still at the dealership? If so, ask them where exactly the metal shaving came from.............................they most likely won't know. Tell them that you'll pay them for the flat rate of removing the transaxle - tell them you'll have it towed out. Tow it to your place and put it back together. They're dicking you......

 

yah.. forget honda. mechanics get paid by the job.. the bigger the job, the more the money. it's xmas season!

 

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mechanics get paid by an hourly flat rate......

say a trans is a 4 hour job..... the mechanic gets paid for 4 hours. (taking the old out and putting the new one in)

if repairing the transmission is what the customer wants...... and it takes the mechanic 6 hours to do that... what do you think he wants to do? chances are, just replace it.

none of you guys work in the industry, so.... maybe you could learn a thing or two before you start talking about situations you have no clue about.


i work for honda, and it would cost you MUCH MUCH more money in labor to 'repair' your trans than to replace it.

are you a mechanic? if you know whats wrong..... why not fix it yourself? if you do know what is wrong, WHY? mess up and want the pros to clean it up for you? if you dont know what youre talking about, i'd leave it to the professionals.


just my .2 cents.

 

Yeah I know whats wrong I'm too busy protecting our east coast from blowing up,I'm bases at the 2nd largest nuclear weapons facility in the world, I tried to get them to just fix the 5th gear fork but since they said the tranny needs be replaced at 55k mi, i told them to put that bich back together and I'll go somewhere else.
Thats just my two cents

 

do you realize that honda doesnt 'REPAIR' transmissions, they replace them with remanufactured units with 1, 2, 3 year warranty... or a 50 mo. warranty. its not very cost effective for you or them to tear your trans apart, and put it back together. its faster and easier to replace the whole thing, especially if its under warranty.

 

Its funny how he comes in here trying to teach us about flat rate like we have no clue..........

Point is - the dealerships charge way too much. Period.

I say just tow it from the dealership and put it back together yourself.

Just check all of the gears, synchros, sleeves..........etc..............

If everything looks great - lube it up and put it back together. Get a manual to help you out. There's no way in the hell i'd pay honda to do it for me - and I HATE dealing with transmissions and transaxles........absolutely hate it - but if something went wrong, i'd know how to fix it.

Dealerships try to screw people out of money - the only reason he's fighting for the dealership is because thats what he gets paid to do.


He says its "faster and easier" to replace the entire transaxles - but it costs out the ***. No one has the money to spend on that ****.........just learn how to do it yourself. Thats the only way you're going to learn how to do something - hands on period.

Faster and Easier only applies to the tech actually performing the job. Because the quicker they get it done - the more they get paid(assuming they beat the flat rate hour time) .....and the easier the job(the quicker they can get it done)..................faster and easier has nothing to do with the customer. I'd rather pay for something to take three days(and pay less) than it would to have it done in an hour or so.............

It's sometimes funny listening to people who "work" at a dealership speak - they speak as if money isn't an issue. Its crazy........i guarantee you wouldn't let your wife/girlfriend/mistress(whatever) go to a dealership - because you don't want them to spend that money.

 

It costs the dealership Tons Of $ to open their doors for business everyday, thats why they charge so much.Think about elec,gas,water,hazardess waste disposal,ect.

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i guarantee you wouldn't let your wife/girlfriend/mistress(whatever) go to a dealership - because you don't want them to spend that money.
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i agree

 

then you have to see. I mean what are they charging you -- the freakin tranny weights like 150 lbs or so and when you put your car on jack stands and if you have a good enough lift then you are ok but I would not want to wrestle with the tranny cause it could turn into a PIA real easy .... I have used the dealership before on things like an intake manifold gasket mainly cause it was only 300 bucks and I did not want to spend the time tearing it apart. I have redone a lot of the wiring myself cause I did not want to pay somebody a grand to do it... so the cost of repair vs. your time is something that you will have to judge for yourself...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKingPin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its funny how he comes in here trying to teach us about flat rate like we have no clue..........

Point is - the dealerships charge way too much. Period.

Dealerships try to screw people out of money - the only reason he's fighting for the dealership is because thats what he gets paid to do.


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HAHAA, you have NO idea...

dealerships get paid $85 and hour..... just like any other mechanic shop.

dealerships have to charge $85 so people can have peace-of-mind that their repairs are going smoothly and correctly by honda factory trained professionals.

think about this.....

you drive up, talk to a service advisor for 20 minutes, he goes to the mechanic who looks at the car and determines what parts he REALLY needs (some customers dont know squat about a car) the mechanic looks at the car for say 20-30 minutes, then goes to parts department and orders parts which could take 5-15 minutes depending on circumstances, (honda also pays the frieght to get the part there the next day)the mechanic works on the car for whatever period of time, then a lot attendant takes the car to a porter who then washes it for you, and pulls it back to the drive...........

all that service, possibly 6 people deal with you or your car that day..... and spend a great deal of time doing it. and you dont think its worth $85? these people need to get paid somehow.


if anything, a dealership does NOT try to screw you......

if youre a nice and polite customer, we can provide a free rental car, or discount the parts and/or labor....... but its all up to you.

we also get hard asses like you sir, that walk in like they own the place, and have 25 years of training and experience...... well, DO IT YOURSELF.


youre saying you got screwed........ WHY? because they didnt want to repair your trans? they didnt want to tear it apart.... you werent charged any more or less than you owed them for looking at it. so, how were you screwed?

I used to think the same thing about taking my car to a dealership service department before i worked at one..... i thought it was too expensive, but now that i know what is really involved.... i think people get a pretty good deal.

 

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I say just tow it from the dealership and put it back together yourself.

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you have no clue...... when he brought his car in, he agreed to pay an amount to have them diagnose his problem.

honda is liable for giving his car back to him the way they recieved it..... they will not just call a tow truck and drag his torn apart car out of there.....

so, yeah... i am going to talk to you like you have no clue.

 

Well, think about it, we have a honda mechanic here, but he is not trying to make money out of your pocket, but telling the fact here. Think about the motivation.

I think it makes a whole lot of sense. And TheKingPin, no offensive, but even with the number of the posts you have, I see most of the time, your posts are little bias, and always giving out wrong information. Thanks for your help anywayz, it got its points there.

 

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I think it makes a whole lot of sense. And TheKingPin, no offensive, but even with the number of the posts you have, I see most of the time, your posts are little bias, and always giving out wrong information. Thanks for your help anywayz, it got its points there. </TD></TR></TABLE>




at least you can see where i am coming from.

i mean damn...... i do think dealerships and ALL SHOPS are expensive, but they are for a reason.

the point of the thread was not how expensive a dealership is, but that honda didnt not want to "repair" a damaged transmission.


...... its not like im getting paid any more or less for his car.
it wasnt my dealership he went to.

im just stating what i know from an insiders point of view.

 

I work for Miller Honda In So. Cali and have been there fora little over 5 years. Yeah bud a dealership will only do what is cost effective for them. Replacing the trans as a whole is preferable because it would cost them more to pay a tech flag time for rebuilding a tranny. Plus manny of the so called "techs" are nothing more than parts swappers and havent the first clue as to how to rebuild a trans. If you have the know how then do it yourself otherwise pay for a replacement trans.

 

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you have no clue...... when he brought his car in, he agreed to pay an amount to have them diagnose his problem.

honda is liable for giving his car back to him the way they recieved it..... they will not just call a tow truck and drag his torn apart car out of there.....

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oh really - read the post at the top...............

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........since reading owns you i'll explain.............

Pay them what you owe - and get it towed out................period.

And not all dealerships charge $85.............not at all


He called me a hard-***.................YES!

Point is - i wouldn't go to the dealership at all.

Time is a factor sometimes - so, I remember back in the day, I took my GrandAm to the dealership. I told them exactly whats wrong; however, they still wanted to charge me for diagnosis - why? .........because they're ******* scammers. It didn't matter if i was ASE certified or anything..........they're going to charge you. AND, even if he can't do it himself - go to a small independent shop that you trust and have the work done. My family has a guy here in Indy that does all of their work when I can't...........he does a great job and has never failed them. And on average - he charges maybe 1/2 of the dealership costs. I'm not saying DON"T go to the dealership, because thats how people make money. The dealerships get the work done correctly - but at a higher rate.

If anything - atleast look around for a tranny - then give it to them to put it on.......i'm sure you'll find one for way cheaper than one from them.

 

since reading owns you.....

"a dealership will not just tow a car out of there torn apart... if the car came in under its own power, it will leave that way."

youre a dense ************ arent you.

 

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because if you are wrong at your diagnosis..... they dont want ot be liable for fixing your car for free.


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i dont know what planet youre from, but a dealership will NOT install some mystery trans that a random nobody found and decided to throw in....
dealerships warranty all their work..... and it would be very smart if they warrantied a junk yard trans. most honda dealerships get their transmissions PROFESSIONALLY rebuilt from H&A trans. with , again, a 1 yr, 2 yr, 3 yr, and a 50 month warranty. try getting that from a local salvage yard.

 

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thats the most rediculous **** i have ever heard in my life.

a certified technician more than likely wouldnt know where he pulled out the debris. HAHA

and tell em to tow out a non running car.... i highly doubt that would happen.

a dealership is not a scam, nor are they 'dicking him' youre paying for professional installation, oem new parts, +much much more. youre a bone head.

 

So..........you're saying - if I bring a car in - and the service advisor quoted me way less than the actual service - and I don't have the money to pay for the extra service........i can't just pay for the service that was done, and call a tow truck myself? ..........

So, the dealership gets to 'keep' the car or what...........explain more....................

and there's no need to curse.........not necessary at all......its 7:03am in the damn morning............chill out. You don't see me calling you out of your name........so chill the expletive out. No wonder you're down to 90% damn.

I'm pretty sure there has to be some exceptions......the dealership won't just "keep" it on their lot until you can come up with the money. There's no release forms or anything the customer can sign?

 

when the customer first comes in..... he tells his advisor what the car is acting like, what noises, blah blah....

the advisor then tells the customer, it will take X amount of time to look at it, we'll need at least this amount of money, which the customer agrees to, and signs his repair order..... (example.... it will take one hour, $85 at least or whatever)

when the diagnosis is finished the mechanic informs the customer and service advisor what parts the car will need to run perfectly again.... and the service advisor calls the customer again to let him know what is going on, he gets the customer to agree on the added labor and parts, and the customer signs the RO.


car gets fixed, customer sees the cashier and youre all done.


if you dont have enough money to pay for the service, you wouldnt have agreed and signed the RO (contract)


i dont know why you keep talking about a tow truck........ the car went in on its own power, correct? why would he need to tow it out of there?

if the customer doesnt agree to perform the actual repair, honda puts it back to the way they found it, and the customer pays for diagnosis and drives the car away.....

 

just read this thread of yours.....

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1408562


no wonder you dont like dealerships...... youre a half asser & a cheap skate.

oh well, tow your car out of my service bay, yeah... take that grand am with you too.

 

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if the customer doesnt agree to perform the actual repair, honda puts it back to the way they found it, and the customer pays for diagnosis and drives the car away.....
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exactly.........

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So, he's saying they're refusing to do some work right? He obviously didn't sign a repair order - because he's telling us about it. So, why can't he have them put it back together.........and TOW it out?.........why not? He didn't sign a repair order - he just signed the document stating that they can diagnose the problem. And part of that diagnosis was removing the transaxle.

All i'm asking is - if he didn't sign the repair order(after they diagnosed the problem), can he have them put it back together and tow it out?.....


OH AND RESPONSE TO YOUR ABOVE POST - I paid $0 to do all of the work myself. And yes, it was the first time - you know, just like your first time removing the transaxle - same thing......its funny how you bring up old **** - just proving MY point............do it yourself, cost a hell of a lot less. All i paid for was the 10w40 for the tranny...............so whats your point? I got it in- took a few days......but spent no money. Everything works fine and dandy now.

Man, you seriously have an ager problem................you're so busy being on the "defense" side, that you're not reading my posts. I asked a question - you keep typing around it..........

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKingPin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">exactly.........

So, he's saying they're refusing to do some work right? He obviously didn't sign a repair order - because he's telling us about it. So, why can't he have them put it back together.........and TOW it out?.........why not? He didn't sign a repair order - he just signed the document stating that they can diagnose the problem. And part of that diagnosis was removing the transaxle.

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they (meaning honda) arent refusing any work.... HE is refusing to get a new trans.

honda thinks his old tranny isnt worth the time or effort to repair.

yes, he did sign a repair order to diagnose the problem.... maybe not to replace the trans, thats where the service advisor contacts the customer for a second time and lets him know what the rest of the repairs will cost.

why , again, are you talking about a tow truck? if he drove the car there...... please explain why the customer needs to have it towed home?


ahhhh, is that what YOU would do, i get it, you dont want them to put the car back together..... since well, you can do it yourself, because you know everything....

no problem sir, you dont have to pay us to put your car back together, we'll just throw the trans in the trunk.


did you grow up in a house with lead-based paint?