mounting a 3 point harness in a CRX. hardware sold seperate??
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mounting a 3 point harness in a CRX. hardware sold seperate??
ok im looking at buying a 3 point sparco harness. i was just wondering if this was supposed to come with hardware or if you just buy it from the local harware store. if anyone has pics of mounting point i would like to see them too. i don't have a roll bar so i will only use this when im autoXing, when on the road i will use the oem belt. im guessing the one buy itself will be mounted somewere near the spare tire well and the other two will be bolted right behind the seat?
here it is
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
here it is
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
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Re: mounting a 3 point harness in a CRX. hardware sold seperate?? (coot_er)
That looks like it has hardware. You'd mount the lapbelt points with one at the lower shoulder belt hole, and one at the inner rear seat rail hole. The shoulder belt point could go to the rear seat belt buckle hole I suppose. I don't know that those shoulder belts would be long enough to reach all the way into the trunk area even if you wanted to mount that point there.
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Re: mounting a 3 point harness in a CRX. hardware sold seperate?? (sscguy)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1
are these safe for autoX?
also would it be alright to mount the two points behind the seat at the same location, basically making it a 3 pt only the one in the back would be doubled up.
are these safe for autoX?
also would it be alright to mount the two points behind the seat at the same location, basically making it a 3 pt only the one in the back would be doubled up.
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That would be a fine way of mounting them. As for safe...well, I'm not sure. That really looks like some kind of APCish ****. I really really REALLY am not a fan of 4-points, ever, though your situation is the one example I'd even consider it being ok with. Even then though, they should have some kind of certification. I do have a very nice never-used Willans 4-point I'd let go for cheap (~$50 shipped) if you wanted to spend a little more.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I really really REALLY am not a fan of 4-points,</TD></TR></TABLE>
why not?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ever, though your situation is the one example I'd even consider it being ok with. </TD></TR></TABLE>
why is that?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do have a very nice never-used Willans 4-point I'd let go for cheap (~$50 shipped) if you wanted to spend a little more.</TD></TR></TABLE>
does it have the buckle behind the seat? what color? will the back 2 points reach the spare tire well in a rex?
why not?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ever, though your situation is the one example I'd even consider it being ok with. </TD></TR></TABLE>
why is that?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do have a very nice never-used Willans 4-point I'd let go for cheap (~$50 shipped) if you wanted to spend a little more.</TD></TR></TABLE>
does it have the buckle behind the seat? what color? will the back 2 points reach the spare tire well in a rex?
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in scca i run sm2 and nasa i run ttf
my brother has a rex he bought off of someone who knows what their doing and it had a three point so i guess i was just following suit. how his is set up is that the point behind the drivers seat mounts clear in the spare tire area which puts less of an angle on the belt which i have read is safer in the instance of a crash. maybe im nieve but im not to concerned about comfort since i will only be wearing it for 60 seconds.
my brother has a rex he bought off of someone who knows what their doing and it had a three point so i guess i was just following suit. how his is set up is that the point behind the drivers seat mounts clear in the spare tire area which puts less of an angle on the belt which i have read is safer in the instance of a crash. maybe im nieve but im not to concerned about comfort since i will only be wearing it for 60 seconds.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe im nieve but im not to concerned about comfort since i will only be wearing it for 60 seconds.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you aren't comfortable in your race car you may as well walk. A 5 point will keep you in the seat snugly and stop you from moving around.
Thats just my 2 cones.
If you aren't comfortable in your race car you may as well walk. A 5 point will keep you in the seat snugly and stop you from moving around.
Thats just my 2 cones.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my brother has a rex he bought off of someone who knows what their doing and it had a three point.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No more calls please. We have a winner.
Try to answer your own question.
Ask yourself what benefit you are getting from a 3 point harness.
It just kind of looks like a replacement for the stock belts to me. [shrug]
Then ask yourself how you define someone who "knows what they are doing."
No more calls please. We have a winner.
Try to answer your own question.
Ask yourself what benefit you are getting from a 3 point harness.
It just kind of looks like a replacement for the stock belts to me. [shrug]
Then ask yourself how you define someone who "knows what they are doing."
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Catch 22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No more calls please. We have a winner.
Try to answer your own question.
Ask yourself what benefit you are getting from a 3 point harness.
It just kind of looks like a replacement for the stock belts to me. [shrug]
Then ask yourself how you define someone who "knows what they are doing."</TD></TR></TABLE>
Common problem with our converted ricers, they think their fellow ricer friends who spew stuff like trail braking, drift ebraking through corners are all encompassing geniouses.
Try to answer your own question.
Ask yourself what benefit you are getting from a 3 point harness.
It just kind of looks like a replacement for the stock belts to me. [shrug]
Then ask yourself how you define someone who "knows what they are doing."</TD></TR></TABLE>
Common problem with our converted ricers, they think their fellow ricer friends who spew stuff like trail braking, drift ebraking through corners are all encompassing geniouses.
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Re: mounting a 3 point harness in a CRX. hardware sold seperate?? (coot_er)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The whole submarining thing, the lapbelts having a tendency to ride up into the stomach with properly tightened shoulder belts mostly.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why is that?</TD></TR></TABLE>
In autoxing you're less likely to have an incident where the bad parts of a 4-point arise. For example, you're less likely to hit something hard enough to submarine under the lapbelt or cause serious internal injury from improper lapbelt placement. You're also less likely to roll the car, so using it without a rollbar is MORE acceptable. Again, I'm saying LESS LIKELY here, not that it won't ever happen, because it certainly has and will again. Using everything as a system as it was intended (5- or 6-point belts, rollbar/cage) will do the best job of saving your *** if anything happens. You also mentioned time trials. I would never EVER go on track at track speed with a 4-point. Everything I said above is much more likely to happen on track than on an autox course.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does it have the buckle behind the seat? what color? will the back 2 points reach the spare tire well in a rex</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's black, it does buckle behind the seat, but certainly does not reach to the spare tire well. Almost NO belts have shoulder straps that long. In addition, you're introducing a lot of play and room for extra stretch with long belts like that. The rear seatbelt buckle location is about as good as it's gonna get without any kind of roll protection or harness bar.
The whole submarining thing, the lapbelts having a tendency to ride up into the stomach with properly tightened shoulder belts mostly.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why is that?</TD></TR></TABLE>
In autoxing you're less likely to have an incident where the bad parts of a 4-point arise. For example, you're less likely to hit something hard enough to submarine under the lapbelt or cause serious internal injury from improper lapbelt placement. You're also less likely to roll the car, so using it without a rollbar is MORE acceptable. Again, I'm saying LESS LIKELY here, not that it won't ever happen, because it certainly has and will again. Using everything as a system as it was intended (5- or 6-point belts, rollbar/cage) will do the best job of saving your *** if anything happens. You also mentioned time trials. I would never EVER go on track at track speed with a 4-point. Everything I said above is much more likely to happen on track than on an autox course.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does it have the buckle behind the seat? what color? will the back 2 points reach the spare tire well in a rex</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's black, it does buckle behind the seat, but certainly does not reach to the spare tire well. Almost NO belts have shoulder straps that long. In addition, you're introducing a lot of play and room for extra stretch with long belts like that. The rear seatbelt buckle location is about as good as it's gonna get without any kind of roll protection or harness bar.
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Re: mounting a 3 point harness in a CRX. hardware sold seperate?? (sscguy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's black, it does buckle behind the seat, but certainly does not reach to the spare tire well. Almost NO belts have shoulder straps that long. In addition, you're introducing a lot of play and room for extra stretch with long belts like that. The rear seatbelt buckle location is about as good as it's gonna get without any kind of roll protection or harness bar.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I do agree with what your saying, but you can get FIA belts that are super long and attach a ways back. Most FIA cars i have seen have the belts attached fairly far back. but again FIA cars are, for the most part, a whole different story.
It's black, it does buckle behind the seat, but certainly does not reach to the spare tire well. Almost NO belts have shoulder straps that long. In addition, you're introducing a lot of play and room for extra stretch with long belts like that. The rear seatbelt buckle location is about as good as it's gonna get without any kind of roll protection or harness bar.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I do agree with what your saying, but you can get FIA belts that are super long and attach a ways back. Most FIA cars i have seen have the belts attached fairly far back. but again FIA cars are, for the most part, a whole different story.
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Let them use it... and let Darwin get involved. *a friend of a friend who really knows what he is doing* 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I do agree with what your saying, but you can get FIA belts that are super long and attach a ways back. Most FIA cars i have seen have the belts attached fairly far back. but again FIA cars are, for the most part, a whole different story.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Right, I'm not saying they don't exist, just that they're uncommon
I do agree with what your saying, but you can get FIA belts that are super long and attach a ways back. Most FIA cars i have seen have the belts attached fairly far back. but again FIA cars are, for the most part, a whole different story.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Right, I'm not saying they don't exist, just that they're uncommon
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Re: mounting a 3 point harness in a CRX. hardware sold seperate?? (sscguy)
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Common problem with our converted ricers, they think their fellow ricer friends who spew stuff like trail braking, drift ebraking through corners are all encompassing geniouses. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i would like to think that 3rd place in nationals is pretty respectable. maybe you are one of the two that actually beat him? why don't you try offering me some advice instead of arguing how credible the person is that he bought the car from. if you would like his name, phone number or website explaining the build i can give it to you but that is getting off topic.
if i would get a 5 point how(were) would i mount it? remember this is in a crx with no roll bar and full interior
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I don't care if the guy is Michael Schumacher, the fact that he told you a 3 point is awesome is incorrect.
No I didn't go to Nationals, only a fool would run a HS Accord in Nats.
You will have to do some work and thinking to get a 5 point in your car. Its doable, not easy. Why not just use your regular seat belt?
If you want a minimum mod, cheap solution then go with an autocross belt from Solotime.com. Its $15 and will do just as good of a job as a 3 point if not better.
No I didn't go to Nationals, only a fool would run a HS Accord in Nats.
You will have to do some work and thinking to get a 5 point in your car. Its doable, not easy. Why not just use your regular seat belt?
If you want a minimum mod, cheap solution then go with an autocross belt from Solotime.com. Its $15 and will do just as good of a job as a 3 point if not better.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94accordsedan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why not just use your regular seat belt? </TD></TR></TABLE>
The stock crx seat belt can not be made tight. The seat belt does not latch ( stop or whatever you want to call it).
The stock crx seat belt can not be made tight. The seat belt does not latch ( stop or whatever you want to call it).
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CG Lock? That can be used with any stock seatbelt.</TD></TR></TABLE>
what is this? were can i get/see it?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94accordsedan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't care if the guy is Michael Schumacher, the fact that he told you a 3 point is awesome is incorrect.
No I didn't go to Nationals, only a fool would run a HS Accord in Nats.
You will have to do some work and thinking to get a 5 point in your car. Its doable, not easy. Why not just use your regular seat belt?
If you want a minimum mod, cheap solution then go with an autocross belt from Solotime.com. Its $15 and will do just as good of a job as a 3 point if not better. </TD></TR></TABLE>
he never said it was "awsome". it came in the car so i assumed if its good enough for him it must be the way to go.
i am looking for something to hold me in my seat better
i looked at the autocross belt on solotime.com. it looks like it just kinda wraps around you and goes under your pits? now that sounds uncomfortable, but for $15 i might be willing to give it a try. anybody ever seen or used this?
what is this? were can i get/see it?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94accordsedan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't care if the guy is Michael Schumacher, the fact that he told you a 3 point is awesome is incorrect.
No I didn't go to Nationals, only a fool would run a HS Accord in Nats.
You will have to do some work and thinking to get a 5 point in your car. Its doable, not easy. Why not just use your regular seat belt?
If you want a minimum mod, cheap solution then go with an autocross belt from Solotime.com. Its $15 and will do just as good of a job as a 3 point if not better. </TD></TR></TABLE>
he never said it was "awsome". it came in the car so i assumed if its good enough for him it must be the way to go.
i am looking for something to hold me in my seat better
i looked at the autocross belt on solotime.com. it looks like it just kinda wraps around you and goes under your pits? now that sounds uncomfortable, but for $15 i might be willing to give it a try. anybody ever seen or used this?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CG Lock? That can be used with any stock seatbelt.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not with the door mounted belts used in the 90-91 Civics, and 89-91 CRXs. It won't work since it's really two separate belts on separate retractors that meet at the buckle.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i looked at the autocross belt on solotime.com. it looks like it just kinda wraps around you and goes under your pits? now that sounds uncomfortable, but for $15 i might be willing to give it a try. anybody ever seen or used this?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've used one, I thought it helped a lot.
Not with the door mounted belts used in the 90-91 Civics, and 89-91 CRXs. It won't work since it's really two separate belts on separate retractors that meet at the buckle.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coot_er »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i looked at the autocross belt on solotime.com. it looks like it just kinda wraps around you and goes under your pits? now that sounds uncomfortable, but for $15 i might be willing to give it a try. anybody ever seen or used this?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've used one, I thought it helped a lot.
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well i strapped my brothers 3 point on today and i understand what you mean by the lap belt going into your gut. so i am considering the 5 point now. i assume the one between you legs detaches and can be tucked under my seat when just daily driving and not in use?
ya i didn'nt think the CG would work.
anyone else use this autox belt? i know its only $15 but i don't want to waste $15 when i could have put it towards something else.
ya i didn'nt think the CG would work.
anyone else use this autox belt? i know its only $15 but i don't want to waste $15 when i could have put it towards something else.
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anyone else ever use that belt?
is that the way to go since i don't have a roll bar?
is that the way to go since i don't have a roll bar?
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Is the referenced $15 belt a "lap belt"? I've tried both the CG-Lock and a lap belt and did not like either. Both did very little to keep my shoulders planted. If anything, they seemed to exaggerate that problem.
I've driven a car with the 3-point in the link. It wasn't very comfortable, but it worked well. If I didn't cinch it REALLY tight, it'd ride up on my stomach. When I cinched it tight enough to eliminate that, it was a GREAT relief to unfasten the whole thing at the end of the run. The car owner apparently has found the "sweet spot" though, as he loves the thing.
I've driven a car with the 3-point in the link. It wasn't very comfortable, but it worked well. If I didn't cinch it REALLY tight, it'd ride up on my stomach. When I cinched it tight enough to eliminate that, it was a GREAT relief to unfasten the whole thing at the end of the run. The car owner apparently has found the "sweet spot" though, as he loves the thing.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by steverife »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the referenced $15 belt a "lap belt"? I've tried both the CG-Lock and a lap belt and did not like either. Both did very little to keep my shoulders planted. If anything, they seemed to exaggerate that problem.
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http://www.solotime.com/default.asp?page=1693 at the bottom of the page
yes its $15 but it goes around your chest, not your lap. i wonder if you used it correctly?
The Autocross Belt is a simple but very effective alternative to using a competition harness. This belt wraps around your chest and the seat back, firmly anchoring your upper body to the seat. This belt must be used in combination with your stock seat belt. Permanent attachment is not required.
anyone else use this?
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http://www.solotime.com/default.asp?page=1693 at the bottom of the page
yes its $15 but it goes around your chest, not your lap. i wonder if you used it correctly?
The Autocross Belt is a simple but very effective alternative to using a competition harness. This belt wraps around your chest and the seat back, firmly anchoring your upper body to the seat. This belt must be used in combination with your stock seat belt. Permanent attachment is not required.
anyone else use this?