Recently omnipowerusa released its new adjustable damping coilover system for all 92-00 civics and 94-01 Integras. Developement was done extensively through track testing,shock dyno testing, and customer feedback.

Each kit has the following key features.

-6 Levels of rebound adjustment
-greatly improved low speed rebound, as a result of new piston design
-Fina shock oil
-6 springs with each kit 2x8k,2x10k,2x12k optional 6k,14k,16k,18k springs are sold separately
-renforced lower collars, which are able to handle the most demanding situations
-revised nitrogen pressure settings
-precisely matched front and rear damping ratios
-2 year warranty against defects and leaks.

Prices start at $999.99 MSRP

2nd Gen. Non-Damping Adj. coilovers have many new key features
-revised nitrogen pressures
-Greatly increased low speed and high speed rebound
- matched front and rear damping ratios
- Renforced lower collars for the most demanding situations
-2 year warranty
-fina shock oil
-developement was done as a direct result of customer feedback,shock dyno testing, and track testing.

Prices start at $749.99 MSRP

 

Do you have to use destilled water or is tap water ok?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omniman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Developement was done extensively through track testing,shock dyno testing, and customer feedback.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How do these compare with the defacto standard Koni/GC pair on track, both subjectively and objectively?

 

unofficially tested by Randy Pobst and he loved it... his words

"Hey, thank you for the laps. What a sweet little car. very
enjoyable, and made big speed for being on plain ol' street tires. Just flat
everywhere."

does it work? 1:35.x @ streets of willows in 2600 lbs w/driver EM1 Civic. 12k/12k omnipowers. stock swaybars. 205/50/15 azenis 215. stock b16a with only intake and exhaust (141 whp).

 

Thats hardly an objective evaluation. I've said that about a lot of cars I've enjoyed driving on track - doesnt mean it is better or worse than any other suspension setup.

How does that laptime compare to other suspension setups on the same day? koni, tokico, moton, dms, etc? How did lap times vary with spring rate change? Tire change? I could tell you I can run a 1:29 at summit point with old toyos - sounds great? or maybe not?

 

it's pretty hard to have back to back tests... but omni stuff certainly can laid down respectable lap times.

daily driver delsol b16a 180 whp 2400 lbs w/driver, 10k/12k omnipower 2:06.687 @ thunderhill full track w/bypass. on 2 year old 205/50/15 RA1. pepboy pads. certainly has some time left still...

i will say that the ktwizzle k20a that did 1:28.x at streets of willows was running on revalved koni/GC. rates around 650/850 or something... it's Andrie's old setup. i really liked the way it handled too. it felt very different but i think the big difference was due to the lack of no front swaybar on ken's car.

ps, i do not like shelf koni yellows


Modified by quisp at 1:30 PM 11/14/2005

 

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How do these compare with the defacto standard Koni/GC pair on track, both subjectively and objectively?</TD></TR></TABLE>

out of curiosity do you have Koni/Ground control on your car RJ

 

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LOL

damping &gt;&gt; dampening

 

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out of curiosity do you have Koni/Ground control on your car RJ</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, Koni SPSS3 Shocks, GC Sleeves, Eibach springs (800f/900r). This is the 3rd car I've owned that I put Koni shocks on

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quisp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's pretty hard to have back to back tests... </TD></TR></TABLE>

No its not. Get your suspension on the car and corner balanced for each 'setup' the day before - this will take a few hours. Then, when its at the track, with 2 guys working it should only take 30 minutes to swap suspension in out on the car, if not less.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">daily driver delsol b16a 180 whp 2400 lbs w/driver, 10k/12k omnipower 2:06.687 @ thunderhill full track w/bypass. on 2 year old 205/50/15 RA1. pepboy pads. certainly has some time left still...

i will say that the ktwizzle k20a that did 1:28.x at streets of willows was running on revalved koni/GC. rates around 650/850 or something... it's Andrie's old setup. i really liked the way it handled too. it felt very different but i think the big difference was in the lack of no front swaybar on ken's car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So we have a bunch of laptimes in vastly dissimilar cars and tracks with no comparison for anything other than "it turns good laptimes" or "i like it" or "ghettoracer approved!".

 

Dude, they're Ghettoracer approved!!!!!! Doesn't that say it all?!?!?!?!?!

 

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damping &gt;&gt; dampening</TD></TR></TABLE>

it's a shame that "dampening" is now an official entry in the M-W dictionary.

everyone knows it's "damping"!

 

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No its not. Get your suspension on the car and corner balanced for each 'setup' the day before - this will take a few hours. Then, when its at the track, with 2 guys working it should only take 30 minutes to swap suspension in out on the car, if not less.</TD></TR></TABLE>

steve would have to set that up...

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So we have a bunch of laptimes in vastly dissimilar cars and tracks with no comparison for anything other than "it turns good laptimes" or "i like it" or "ghettoracer approved!".</TD></TR></TABLE>

it's a suspension that works well for under $1000. that's all i'm saying. you ask for some objective and subjective feedbacks and i gave some inputs.

 

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it's a shame that "dampening" is now an official entry in the M-W dictionary.

everyone knows it's "damping"!

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And you know what, Beta is a constant for DMS dampers. DMS dampers are the only ones - that I know about - that have nearly linear damping for the full range of velocities from 0 &lt; shaft velocity ~ 10 in/sec.

For digressive Beta = Kv^(-alpha) where 0 &lt;= alpha &lt; 1. where K is a constant or some power series of v.

 

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it's a suspension that works well for under $1000. that's all i'm saying. you ask for some objective and subjective feedbacks and i gave some inputs.

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No, what you're saying is that they're a set of coilovers that you feel work well, but there's a huge difference between what you think and what actually is.

That's what RJ is getting at.

And until you do the testing, your endorsments should clearly state that it's your opinion, not a verified fact.

 

everybody express their opinions here. big deal. not sure what your deal is. so since you asked me about driving my car, when do you want to swap cars so you can give your expert opinion on omnipower suspension?

ghetto approved don't mean anything, but honest unsolicited feedbacks from guys like Randy Pobst and Craig Stanton should be given consideration.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quisp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everybody express their opinions here. big deal. not sure what your deal is. so since you asked me about driving my car, when do you want to swap cars so you can give your expert opinion on omnipower suspension?

ghetto approved don't mean anything, but honest unsolicited feedbacks from guys like Randy Pobst and Craig Stanton should be given consideration.
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And you know what they say about opinions and *** holes.........

 

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For digressive Beta = Kv^(-alpha) where 0 &lt;= alpha &lt; 1. where K is a constant or some power series of v.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ugh. power serieses. i'm going to look at pictures of naked girls now to chase the taste out of my mouth.

 

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it doesn't mean sh*t and you know it Frank. Randy could say that about anything. If he said "it felt much better with the 2nd setup than it did with the first" then maybe you could use that. Back to back blind tests are the only results that mean anything.

 

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ugh. power serieses. i'm going to look at pictures of naked girls now to chase the taste out of my mouth.

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Sorry

 

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it doesn't mean sh*t and you know it Frank. Rany could say that about anything. If he said "it felt much better with the 2nd setup than it did with the first" then maybe you could use that. Back to back blind tests are the only results that mean anything. </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is very true. Professional racers tend to have polished responses to car questions. They'll give you the most positive spin on just about anything, especially if the person they're talking with may be a potential sponsor.

 

did this redesign of the omni's mean going to a orifice type adjuster instead of the vastly inferior needle and seat adjuster they used before? something tells me no.

nate

 

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it doesn't mean sh*t and you know it Frank. Randy could say that about anything. If he said "it felt much better with the 2nd setup than it did with the first" then maybe you could use that. Back to back blind tests are the only results that mean anything. </TD></TR></TABLE>

and your point is? are you saying Randy and Craig are the kind of guys that can't recognize if a car handles good, so so, or poor? it's a simple subjective feedback from pro drivers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by solo-x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did this redesign of the omni's mean going to a orifice type adjuster instead of the vastly inferior needle and seat adjuster they used before? something tells me no.

nate</TD></TR></TABLE>

caveat emptor

You get what you pay for. People have been trying for years to offshore manufacture stuff for cheap, and that's what they get - something cheap. Tight tolerances, superior materials, and expert engineering cost money - usually a lot of money. Top of the line dampers have always cost more, and for the forseeable future, they still will. So if you want a decent damper at a decent price, then you might be able to find such a set for $1200 or so. If you want Koni 2812 quality then you have to pay the price.

 

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This is very true. Professional racers tend to have polished responses to car questions. They'll give you the most positive spin on just about anything, especially if the person they're talking with may be a potential sponsor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

that maybe so, but not in this case. when Randy drove my car, it was at a Audi Club event. he came up to me and and uses the same ghettoracer pick up line "do you mind if i take your cars out for a few laps?". naturally i replied, any time Randy it would be my pleasure. he ran a few laps and by the grin on his face i know he loved it i mean he was just pleasantly surprised. i chatted up with him some more during lunch and said feel free to take it out any time. he ran a full session in it and told me that was the most fun car he driven all day long and it was the 1st time he been in a FF in a while (this was before the 2005 WC season and he was in fact just about to test the Mazda at BW the week after). i ask him no BS how does the car handle, he said for what it is (daily driver), he wouldn't change a thing.

Craig is a friend, and his answers are simple and honest too. i'm probably going to have to bug them to give a formal review next time...