After a few months of careful observations, lots of research, and countless other efforts put in... i have decided to sell my CNC machine. This CNC unit is approx. only 16 months old. It is 2-axis CNC control. The acual control unit on this mill is simply amazing! it costed a little bit more but i think its WELL worth it!!! Heres some specs on the mill..

TRAK K3 CNC MILL
10x50" table surface
32x16" table travel
3HP 3-phase motor
R8 Spindle
Autocad DWG file convertor built in (directly accepts DWG files... costed about $3000 extra)
RPM Range 70-4800rpm
Weight 2900lbs

The mill will also include all the tooling i have purchased for it including end mills, collets, lights, coolant pump, vices, parrallels, ect.

A rough breakdown of the costs of everything i have for it...

Two Kurt 8.8" Wide mouth Vices $500.00/each
Machine Lamp $100
Coolant Pump $150
Collet Set $150
Parrallel Set $75
End Mills $300-$400
Jacobs Ball Bearing Drill Chuck $150
CNC Mill $24,000.00

I will also include the $500.00 Rotary Phase convertor which turns single phase power into 3 phase power without ANY power loss.

Total of all parts included $26,500.00

The mill is in practically PERFECT operating condition, and has been very well taken care of! it recieves a monthly bath.. literally! Always well lubricated.

Ill let the machine sell for $22,000 with all the hardware.

For those who are my customers, dont worry im not selling out or going out of business, im just changing over to something more productive. This machine is perfect for almost any custom fab shop! but for a production shop like mine its not enough to keep up with demands.... To get in contact about this machine PM or Email me at GSXTboost@hotmail.com

As far as shipping goes on this thing, i could most likely deliver it within a 100-200 mile range of my shop for a fee. Got any questions ask away....

 

why are you selling it? are you upgrading?

 

Something like this would be about perfect for what I need but I just don’t like the fact it only has a R8 spindle. Hmmmmm…………….

 

Yea pretty much. Upgrading to something faster.

And why dont you like R8 spindle? its very comon!

 

what were you planning on getting? i'm looking at a hurco vm-1. very small footprint for what you get.

 

I don't have personal experience with the Hurco, how rigid is it? Is it a mostly aluminum only machine like a Haas VF-1?

 

if your upgrading i would HIGHLY recommend the HAAS VF1 or the VF2.. (depending how much $ you got)

 

no experience with the hurco, but i use a haas vf-8 regularily. they are ok i guess. i'm not overly impressed with them. their shipping was terrible, machine arrived broken.

i'm leaning toward the hurco because of the small footprint to work cube ratio. the table is huge for such a small machine. the price on the hurco is definitely hard to beat. i don't think haas gives you as much for a similar price. the Hurco control is also a huge turn on for me as well. the machine has a cast iron bed. check out their site, there is all the info there. http://www.hurco.com



some comparisons:

HURCO VM1 ($35900):

Footprint (WxD) 70.9"x62.5"
X, Y, Z travels 26"x14"x18"
Table working surface 30"x14"
Maximum weight on table (lbs) 750
Maximum spindle speed (rpm) 8,000 (10,000 option)
Peak spindle motor (hp) 15
Maximum spindle motor torque (ft lbs @ rpm) 54 @ 1,450
Rapid traverse X,Y,Z axis (ipm) 750
Number of tools standard in swing-arm ATC 16 CAT 40
Positioning / repeatability ±0.0002" / 0.0001"
Weight (lbs) 6,200


VM1 Best in Class Standard Features:

Low base price of $35,900 (USA only packaging)
Large work cube of 26"x14"x18"
Very small footprint for size of work cube
Options and accessories are “plug and play”
High speed 8,000 RPM spindle
Powerful 15 hp spindle motor
Cartridge spindle design
Robust UltiMax control and software tools
User-friendly, ergonomic control console
6,200 lbs solid frame design using FEA
16-station, automatic, swing-arm tool changer
Auto way lube separation system
Heavy duty linear rails in all three axis
Oversized, double nut ball screws
Automatic central lubrication system
Servo driven, no need for mechanical counter balance
UL, CSA, NFPA 79 independently certified, with CE certification optional

VM1 Options:

Numerous software automation options
Conversational Part Probe
Dual screen control
Conversational Touch Tool Probe
Work Light
Clear Dome Cover
Air Gun
Flood Coolant Assembly
Chip Auger Assembly (Supplied with Chip Cart)
Max Keyboard
Max Remote Jog
Safety Mat (Fatigue)
Kit, ATC BT Arm Conversion
10,000 RPM Spindle (Factory installed only)
Horizontal/Vertical Mount Rotary Table
CE Door Safety Switch
Manual Pallet Changer with 22” x 16” pallets
Automatic Pallet Changer with 24” x 13” pallets
Tool Holder kit, 40 Taper(10 pc . tooling pkg., including collets and wrench)
Retention **** kit, non-CTS (16 piece set)
Hurco Vise (4” or 6”)


HAAS VF-1 ($41900):

VF-1
TRAVELS S.A.E. Metric
Maximum X Axis 20 " 508 mm
Maximum Y Axis 16 " 406 mm
Maximum Z Axis 20 " 508 mm
Spindle nose to table (min) 4 " 102 mm
Spindle nose to table (max) 24 " 610 mm
STANDARD TABLE S.A.E. Metric
Length 26 " 660 mm
Width 14 " 356 mm
Max Weight on Table 3000 lb 1361 kg
T-slot Width 0.625 " 15.875 mm
T-slot Center Distance 4.92 " 125 mm
Number of T slots 3 3
SPINDLE S.A.E. Metric
Taper Size #40 Taper " #40 Taper
Spindle Max Speed 7500 rpm 7500 rpm
Drive System Direct Speed Belt Drive Direct Speed Belt Drive
Max Torque Standard 75 ft-lb @1400 rpm 102 Nm @1400 rpm
with Optional Gearbox 250 ft-lb @ 450 rpm 339 Nm @ 450 rpm
Spindle Motor Max. Rating 20 hp 14.9 kw
Bearing Lubrication Air/Oil Injection Air/Oil Injection
Cooling Liquid Cooled Liquid Cooled
AXIS MOTORS S.A.E. Metric
Max Thrust Rating X 2550 lb 11343 N
Max Thrust Rating Y 2550 lb 11343 N
Max Thrust Rating Z 4200 lb 18683 N
FEEDRATES S.A.E. Metric
Rapids on X Axis 1000 in/min 25.4 m/min
Rapids on Y Axis 1000 in/min 25.4 m/min
Rapids on Z Axis 1000 in/min 25.4 m/min
Max Cutting 650 in/min 16.5 m/min
TOOL CHANGER S.A.E. Metric
Capacity Standard 20 20
Tool Type / Taper CT or BT/40 CT or BT/40
Max Tool Diameter Std (full) 3.5 " 89 mm
Maximum Tool Weight 12 lb 5.4 kg
Changer Type Standard (Optional) Carousel (SMTC) Carousel (SMTC)
Tool-to-Tool (avg) 4.2 sec 4.2 sec
Chip-to-Chip (avg) 4.5 sec 4.5 sec
ACCURACY (SINGLE AXIS) S.A.E. Metric
Positioning (±) 0.0002 " 0.0051 mm
Repeatability (±) 0.0001 " 0.0025 mm
GENERAL S.A.E. Metric
Door Opening Width 35.50 " 902 mm
Max Operating Height 104.50 " 2654 mm
Max Operating Width 109.81 " 2789 mm
Machine Weight 7100 lb 3221 kg
Max Operating Depth 92.8 " 2357 mm
Air Required 4 CFM @ 100 psi 113 lpm @ 6.9 bar
Power Required 14 kVA;
200-250 VAC @ 50A, 3-phase;
50-60 H 14 kVA;
200-250 VAC @ 50A, 3-phase;
50-60 H

Footprint is 88"x92"

 

Brian, you may remember me, this is Tom from MM Motorsports. You owe us some flanges (seven x 14B/16G turbine discharge), and have owed us these flanges for about 10 months and have not replied to my emails since July.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsxtboost@hotmail.com, July 28, 2005 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Holy cow dude.. im sorry i forgot all about your order! ill make it up probably tomorrow and have it shipped by monday.

-Brian-</TD></TR></TABLE>

Now I don't like doing this, dragging it into public and all, but word around the campfire is this isn't uncommon practice for you. And if you would have simply replied to even one of the emails I've sent you, we wouldn't be in this situation. Unfortunate, because I found what flanges you did send me to be excellent quality. If we get our flanges, we very well may do business with you again; I understand things come up and mistakes are made, I can get over it. But I do not like being jerked around and/or blown off.

Refund or flanges, please. Flanges are preferred.

If you need our address again, send me an email.
sales@mattmasonms.com


Modified by doctorstupid at 11:54 PM 11/9/2005

 

hate to sound like the sign says&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; (noob) but what exactly would one use a cnc for? any help would be appreciated

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExploitedRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea pretty much. Upgrading to something faster.

And why dont you like R8 spindle? its very comon!</TD></TR></TABLE>


R8 spindles are more common on smaller mills like Bridgeport, JET, etc. On a more rigid CNC machine you will find CAT 40 and even better, CAT 50 spindles. Rigidity is everything when it comes to removing material at a fast rate.

 

cnc mills are used to make just about everything. cnc machines are used in many industries. they find a lot of use in production manufacturing of many different materials from wood to metal to plastic. they are very predominant in the platic injection molding and metal stamping industries. they are used for a lot of the custom parts you see on race/show cars, trucks and bikes. you can also get cnc plasma cutters, waterjet cutters, laser cutters, lathes, routers... there are many applications.

here is some of the stuff i've made on a cnc.

 

I've heard nothing but good about the hurcos, a shop I worked at with 40+ cnc machines, had 4 hurocs, and I think they now have 2 more.

From what I understand, hurcos use conversational programming, as opposed to straight cnc g and m code, which is a good thing for medium size runs like more than 20 less than 100

 

I have expeirences with HAAS, VFOE and VF-1. excellent machines.

 

I own 2 bridgeport CNC Mills. They are the older series 1 and 2 machines with modern CNC retrofit kits installed. The machines use servo motors with encoders so that they are completely closed loop. 3 axis control. The accuracy of these machines is amazing.

I also have a smaller CNC mill with a 4th axis setup. Also closed loop, but a smaller and less powerful machine. It's handy for many of the jobs I do.

 

So does anyone uh wanna buy it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExploitedRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So does anyone uh wanna buy it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

no, but i would like the product i ordered 3+ months ago.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 5STAR3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, but i would like the product i ordered 3+ months ago. </TD></TR></TABLE>Me, too. Maybe you should cut my flanges before you sell it...

 

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did you make these velocity stacks off the 2 axis mill?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gldndrgn14 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

did you make these velocity stacks off the 2 axis mill? </TD></TR></TABLE>

no. cnc lathe. all my other stuff is made on a 3 axis. 2 axis mills are good for 2d patterns. these are a 3d pattern, as are most adapter plates.

hey brian, did you try selling it in the classified forum?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doctorstupid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Me, too. Maybe you should cut my flanges before you sell it...</TD></TR></TABLE>

should have ordered from weir

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by weirRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no. cnc lathe. all my other stuff is made on a 3 axis. 2 axis mills are good for 2d patterns. these are a 3d pattern, as are most adapter plates.

hey brian, did you try selling it in the classified forum?</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats what i thought. i was just wondering, maybe you had some special technique i never knew about to do it on a 2 axis. ahah

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fork &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

should have ordered from weir</TD></TR></TABLE>

probably

 

Thats why i want to get a different machine. Mine simply is to slow for all the work i have for it. I hope to have the new machine here and running in 2-4 weeks... in the mean time i have to keep running mine as long as i can before it sells. Not saying exactly what im buying yet... but its over 25 (yes twenty-five times faster.

 

just curious, if you are selling the machine to upgrade, why are you selling all the tooling with it? those vises will be expensive to replace, along with all the endmills i'd imagine. would you be interested in selling me just the two vises?