Ive got my turbo kit all pieced out and ready to rock. But now its winter and the onyl thing I have left is learning how the hell to use TurboEdit

Ive got a chipped pm6 with an erasable chip I bought form xenocron.

Now Ive read his guide on his website and its really not for the common person starting from scratch. Like I have noooooo idea about "stable roms" and importing and exporting and scalling maps and such.

Can someone point me in the right direction as to how to get this **** working. Ive got as far as to download the stock PM6 bin file thing and open it and click around, really dont know what Im doing and want to learn how to tune my own car with my wideband and laptop by March like a pro

I need help

 

well, it seems you are going in the right direction. stable roms are roms with few or no programming errors. i believe the most current stable rom is ng60, but there are still a lot of well tuned ng55 bin's floating around. what you are going to need is a stable base tune, which is a safe starting point for your setup. you can check out xenocron's bin repository for turbo basemap binaries, and there are probably some on pgmfi.org also. what you are looking for is a binary that most closely matches your setup. usually the binaries have listings of what parts the map was tuned for, i.e. 3 bar map sensor, dsm 450cc injectors, the type of turbo and the engine. so find one of those.

map scaling and all that can be helped by xenocron's excel spreadsheet that helps you scale fuel for different injectors and the MAP sensor you are using. its very much an art form, but xenocrons basemapper is a good place to start for a descently stable map.

then you get your car running on that basemap, and thats when you tune. use your wb02 to monitor a/f ratio using either datalogging with ecu control, or a logger associated with your wb02. there are entire pages written about how to tune your car on pgmfi, so read up on those. when you get a good set of logs for different pulls, you can start adding and subtracting fuel and messing with timing tables to tune your car. then you share your map for the next guy who needs a base tune with a similar setup.

 

I dont get what the NG55 or NG60 thing is? is it like a start map or something

I dont get how to use the spreadsheet deal either, I donwloaded and openned it but dont see any information or anything there really that would be called a basemap

Im just lost

 

Basically those NG55, NG60 are the programming associated with the maps. Just look around on pgmfi.org and see if you can find a map that closely matches your setup and download the posted .bin file. Now you can open that up and mess with it to make any necessary changes for it to work with your car. Or, if you are like me, just burn it because the map matches your mods exactly. Then, stick the chip in your car and see if it runs. Hook up your wideband with some logging and drive it around and be sure to watch AFRs closely so you don't go too lean and listen for signs of knock/detonation.

 

Here is all you need to get started.

http://www.xenocron.com/te.php?page=te_cover


Be sure to read, Getting Started, Basemapping, Fuel Tuning and class#1 and #2

 

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http://www.xenocron.com/te.php?page=te_cover


Be sure to read, Getting Started, Basemapping, Fuel Tuning and class#1 and #2 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Most def, don't forget http://www.pgmfi.org, also. I like to use crome for obd0 though, :-)

 

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There's so much info in those it's rediculous.

 

where did you get all your turbo edit stuff?and how good of a system is it,im interested.

 

http://www.pgmfi.org has everything you need to know. Read read read.

 

I just pmed him that, fool.

 

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Most def, don't forget http://www.pgmfi.org, also. I like to use crome for obd0 though, :-)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Crome supports obd0?? Does it support pr3 or pw0 with boost codes?

 

so then what is the difference between say the base pm6 map and the ng55/ng60 maps? Why would you use one rather than the other?

 

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Sorry sir.

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It supports PR3 and PW0, but not with boost. Check out BRE for that.

 

so would the best thing to do is download a bin that is close to your setup someone has already made and tweak that from there . instead of making a map from scratch. ?

 

That's what I'd do, if possible. Sometimes it's just easier to build one from a stock map though.

 

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The NG roms have all the happy extra features, like RTP, datalogging, b00st y0, injector scaling, launch control, one wire vtec, map sensor calibration... the list goes on.

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Well unless you're working on something insano, you can usually start with a stock rom and tweak, but if you've got a turbo car or something, you can sometimes find a map that's closer, and nip and tuck that one instead, saving a lot of time.

 

bump for beginners and learning

 

i'm just starting out too. but when using the NG roms if i go over ~80% throttle it sputters wants to die (but dosent b/c the inersha of the car) and total power loss. i'm guessing this is not normal. but i have NO extra fetures enabled. no revlimiters or CEL mods or anythihng.

any help here?

EDIT: i did try ajusting the pamaters off the wall to fix it but even if i burn a hugely rich BIN it still cutsout. on the stock chip i have no suck problem.

 

If you're stuttering and hesitating under heavy throttle, I had a big thread on PGMFI about it. Basically, the latest NG series of ROMS needs to have boost tables enabled even if you're NA. Here's why: When you hit WOT or close to it, you travel near 0 vac and possibly into positive pressure. My car behaved just like yours because I would change the parameters to an NA map and the boost columns disappear. The car still has them to use, but they are VERY off as far as the tune goes. So, you need to make sure you have the boost columns enabled and tune all the way to the 1.3 psi column. When switched in the NA mode, the highest column you can tune is -3 in/hg. So what happens is your car passes that column while you're driving hard and the columns that it is trying to use are untuned. Tune all columns up to 1.3 psi. That did it for me - and quite a few others over on PGMFI. Good luck and I hope this works for you.

 

 

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Does that mean my solution worked?

 

means bump for me trying to buy a burner and understanding nothing, just started reading on pgfi, lots to read

 

Lots to read indeed, how much you looking to spend for a burner?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DieMaster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm just starting out too. but when using the NG roms if i go over ~80% throttle it sputters wants to die (but dosent b/c the inersha of the car) and total power loss. i'm guessing this is not normal. but i have NO extra fetures enabled. no revlimiters or CEL mods or anythihng.

any help here?

EDIT: i did try ajusting the pamaters off the wall to fix it but even if i burn a hugely rich BIN it still cutsout. on the stock chip i have no suck problem. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I had this problem in a boosted car, except we could get to ~90% before it would happen. If it went WOT we would get a revlimit. It turned out to be his fuel pump. Then I retuned it and he hasnt had any hiccups since.

To the orig poster: Why are you asking in honda tech's EF forum? No offense, but the majority of the people on here dont know whats going on. If you are going to ask, ask specific questions on pgmfi. But first read everything under the beginners section at http://wiki.pgmfi.org . then read everything in the newbie forum at pgmfi.org. If you are looking for some quick, easy answer handed to you right now I will tell you this: hire someone else to tune your car.

BEn

 

the readership on pgmfi is very low. i dont blame him for posting here, because there are lots of people that are on here and pgmfi and know whats up, especially with regard to turboedit. the ef forums are where poor people hang out, and poor people love turboedit. heh..