Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

Car dies Radomly.. Horrible Misfire @ idle. Smoke out the intake Manifold

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 11:42 AM
  #1  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default Car dies Radomly.. Horrible Misfire @ idle. Smoke out the intake Manifold

well i took the car for a spin today and it just died while driving. and Hondata said it was Ignition output signal.
So i replaced
Cap
Rotor
Plugs
ICM
Coil

Started the car and the idle was a little rough as soon as i got the tiiming light out and played with the dizzy. and 2 seconds later it just died.

So i tried starting it again and it wouldnt turn over. and as soon as i stopped trying to start it there was a thud sound so i went and looked and there is a little smoke coming out of the intake manifold.

So i immediately went to Timing issue. Crank liked up with mark and i pulled the valve cover and the cams are dead on

So what the expletive is doing this? Im stumped. No more CEL and im not sure what else would cause this.

Help a brotha out
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:17 PM
  #2  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

No one
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:21 PM
  #3  
dogbiscuit's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 856
Likes: 0
From: Louisville, Kentucky
Default

i would try but i've never heard of this.. i'm stumped as well.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:49 PM
  #4  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

damn is the forum just slow or is everyone stummped like me?
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:52 PM
  #5  
dohcMONSTER's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 6,084
Likes: 0
From: feed us
Default Re: (JDMlyfestyle)

bump for an answer i got nothing man sorry......
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 01:00 PM
  #6  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

damnit
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 01:44 PM
  #7  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

Ive called everyone i know.. called Matt from Hondata. and dave from whipfactory and they are stumped as well.

waiting on a friend to do a leakdown and compression test.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 01:49 PM
  #8  
l337hxr's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
From: SAY WAT, CA, USA
Default

take the car to pep boys. let them figure it out. they are after all, ASE-certified.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 01:57 PM
  #9  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

HAHAHAHAHA

NOOOOO Shop will ever touch my car.

Only to be tuned thats the only time my car will be touched by another person
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 01:57 PM
  #10  
INVALID's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 4,306
Likes: 0
From: Why so you can pretend like youre interested, FL/OK
Default Re: (l337hxr)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by l337hxr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">take the car to pep boys. let them figure it out. they are after all, ASE-certified. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, take it to Pep Boys so they can visually inspect your car. Don't take it there.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 02:05 PM
  #11  
92civichatch1's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 505
Likes: 0
From: howell, nj, united states
Default Re: (INVALID)

what color is the smoke coming out of the mani and whats it smell like. get me as much info as u can and ill see what i can do i have a few honda guys i kno.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 02:36 PM
  #12  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

it wasnt Pouring out.. But just a little smoke..

NOW The Code 15 is Back.. DAMNIT!!! what the hell could it be wires at connector are good and the wires at the ECU are good.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 03:44 PM
  #13  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

COMMON GUYS I NEED MORE HELP!
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 04:23 PM
  #14  
Luserkid's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 12,653
Likes: 7
From: Cali
Default Re: (JDMlyfestyle)

Ive seen this happen quit a few times. A couple of reasons this happend is due to firing order (im more then sure you dont have a firing order problem) Another time i saw it the dist. was 180 (did you take off your dist anytime resently?). Another time was due to a bad compression (valve adjustment needed, usual case.)

Get a compression testor and check your numbers. If there nothing better then perfect do a valve adjustment. Or for the hell of it do one and see if that helps if you cant get a compression test.

Your throwing a code 15 and you changed out the ignitor and ignition coil? Werent you using MSD? Did you try without the MSD and a stock dist.? I would try that.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 04:32 PM
  #15  
Turbogixxer's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 11,001
Likes: 2
From: Boca Raton, FL
Default Re: (JDMlyfestyle)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMlyfestyle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">waiting on a friend to do a leakdown and compression test.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That or a ECU problem.

Whats the voltage at A21 KOEO?

You test the acutally connectors? ECU and dizzy.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2005 | 08:18 PM
  #16  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

Leakdown was all within 3-6% going to do a valve adjustment.

THE MSD is off the car i put a new dizzy on it from advanced auto and it worked fine for this past week.

Tomorrow im going to do some inspecting on the harness
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 01:43 PM
  #17  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

Completed valve Lash and it still does it and they all were within spec.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 01:59 PM
  #18  
Turbogixxer's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 11,001
Likes: 2
From: Boca Raton, FL
Default Re: (Turbogixxer)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMlyfestyle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Completed valve Lash and it still does it and they all were within spec.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbogixxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That or a ECU problem.

Whats the voltage at A21 KOEO?

You test the acutally connectors? ECU and dizzy.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:03 PM
  #19  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

ECU is Fine.. i dont remember the voltage exactly. but i was on the phone with matt from Hondata. and he said everything was fine as we were doing the voltage theck through everything.

Possible that i got a Bad Coil or ICM?
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:14 PM
  #20  
MugenHonda's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,672
Likes: 0
From: With my POS D15B2, Whereever whenever, United States
Default Re: (JDMlyfestyle)

ignitor or is that the same as the icm&gt;
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:17 PM
  #21  
khmboostedeh2's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,297
Likes: 0
Default Re: (MugenHonda)

have you pulled your plugs since u changed them and last drove it? are u getting a spark?
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:29 PM
  #22  
MugenHonda's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,672
Likes: 0
From: With my POS D15B2, Whereever whenever, United States
Default Re: (Jeterkm02)

check your injectors
on nissans it is common to misfire due to a bad injector
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:36 PM
  #23  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

Its getting Fuel, Its getting spark but the spark Dies out after about 20 seconds of the car running and it dies.

Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:40 PM
  #24  
litterbox's Avatar
I am a (Trial User) Army
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 7,258
Likes: 2
From: no en den
Default Re: (Luserkid)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another time i saw it the dist. was 180 (did you take off your dist anytime resently?). </TD></TR></TABLE>
?
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 03:07 PM
  #25  
JDMlyfestyle's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,149
Likes: 1
From: CORNFIELDS, OW3N ME
Default

Dizzy is not 180 out..
TDC The rotor is on the #1 plug..

It runs perfectly fine for 20 seconds and stops
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:22 AM.