im on a post-a-thon here guys.. might be a stupid question but does anyone have an idea on what the rarest paint was? CW, PY, NBP, FBP? heard there was a Red in japan too, dunno though, ive never seen it.. i just see alotta PY around here, there's actually like 4, i never see any CW, FBP or NBP.. thanks for the help

 

JDM silver.... But that's JDM spec. Of the US I would say 97 CW's

 

there's alot of champ whites around here in WA a handful of yellows and my friend has one of two black R's I've seen around here.

 

FBP was also offered on the Si so I'd throw that one out the window. I'd have to say CW is the rarest

 

MR.

 

DC5R was also offered in blue and silver.

 

<u>U.S. sales</u>:
1997: 318 (CW)
1998: 1,023 (CW)
2000: 1,347 (PY and FBP)
2001: 1,157 (PY and NBP)
TOTAL: 3,845

CW is 1,341. The 2,504 cars in 2000 and 2001 were split between yellow and black each year. Unless they made a much higher percentage of black ones in '01 than '00, NBP would be the rarest. (For example, if it were evenly split between yellow and black each year, then that would make 1,252 PY, around 673 FBP, and around 578 NBP.)

Cliff's Notes Summary: The black ones are the rarest because there's no such thing as a black ITR.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><u>U.S. sales</u>:
1997: 318 (CW)
1998: 1,023 (CW)
2000: 1,347 (PY and FBP)
2001: 1,157 (PY and NBP)
TOTAL: 3,845

CW is 1,341. The 2,504 cars in 2000 and 2001 were split between yellow and black each year. Unless they made a much higher percentage of black ones in '01 than '00, NBP would be the rarest. (For example, if it were evenly split between yellow and black each year, then that would make 1,252 PY, around 673 FBP, and around 578 NBP.)

Cliff's Notes Summary: The black ones are the rarest because there's no such thing as a black ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where do you come up with such specific #s ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cliff's Notes Summary: The black ones are the rarest because there's no such thing as a black ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wait.....what?

 

in canada it's the PY.

they only made it on 2000. ONLY one year.

 

Worldwide I would say PY, NHB and FBP are the rarest( in no particular order)
because they were rarely made in other countries. Europe has Starlite black for example. CW is probably the most common in japan, and every other country that has Rs has it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecjerry &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FBP was also offered on the Si so I'd throw that one out the window. I'd have to say CW is the rarest</TD></TR></TABLE>

it was offered on alot of other Honda/Acura models as well.... If im not mistaken it was like "the black" for a while.

PY&gt;***

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ossabB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where do you come up with such specific #s ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

American Honda's marketing department.

They've been posted here (and argued over ad infinitum) in the past.

 

I thought for the longest time Honda would not tell anyone, How did you convince them to release it to you?

So we now have 100% confirmation? This is great news for many reasons!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr341 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Worldwide I would say PY, NHB and FBP are the rarest( in no particular order) because they were rarely made in other countries.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Worldwide I would say that the rarest are colors that weren't sold worldwide, like Milano Red.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr341 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Europe has Starlite black for example.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Or Starlite black, if it's a different color from FBP and NBP. (Sometimes the same color is sold under different names in different markets. You can tell whether it's the same color based on the color code, which doesn't change from one market to another.)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ossabB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought for the longest time Honda would not tell anyone, How did you convince them to release it to you?

So we now have 100% confirmation? This is great news for many reasons!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Reason, why I doubt...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is no good answer to how many USDM Integra Type-R's there might be. Honda has issued very little information about this and the info we do have seems to be incorrect or lacking supplementary information. We can all speculate as to the numbers for each year. We will round up and give you a best guess at the maximum number of each year there is likely to be.

1997 - 750
1998 - 1100
2000 - 1600
2001 - 1600</TD></TR></TABLE> from ITRCA

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ossabB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Reason, why I doubt...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, you could say that this is one of those "whatever your opinion happens to be is correct" things, like religion, or politics, or whether the world is flat . But here are three good reasons why I doubt the numbers posted on ITRCA.com:

1. If you look at the ranges of numbers reported in the registry on that site (and take away the ranges where there are no examples, which is empirical evidence that none were issued - I think it was something like 320-500 in '97, for example, which were used only by ITRs in Canada), they correspond almost exactly to the numbers that I posted and do NOT support the claims on ITRCA.com For another example, if there were really 750 '97 ITRs sold in the States, then there would be numbers at least as high as 750. The odds of picking 61 of those numbers - the number in the registry - and having zero of them higher than 511 are astronomically small.

2. I got the 2000-2001 figures from the product planner who was in charge of the ITR. Someone else here got figures from other contacts that were off by only 2 cars from mine.

3. The correspondence below.

So those are THREE reasons why the numbers I posted above are valid (and IMO any one of them is sufficient proof). Whereas those making those wild-*** claims on ITRCA.com have posted ZERO reasons to back them up.





Modified by nsxtasy at 4:14 PM 10/31/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ossabB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Reason, why I doubt...
from ITRCA</TD></TR></TABLE>

those are definitely not right, the ones on itrca. that 97 count has been floating around h-t for years, including the letter ken posted. i also remember that number he listed for the 98's.

 

I would definitely like to be able to see #'s on the colors world wide, but that would be almost impossible, unless Honda Japan wanted to respond. I would think that Silver would be the rarest (not only cause I own one) because of the very SMALL amount of pics out there of them. I have seen a lot of MR pics from people in Europe and UK. Who knows?!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FULL-Race_B18C5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> heard there was a Red in japan too, dunno though, ive never seen it..</TD></TR></TABLE>

No MR models were sold in Japan but they do exist there due to a lack of import trade restrictions on Japanese brands.

Europe on the other hand...

 

Thanks for the info Ken.

I used a copy of that fax and a seemingly original copy of that letter in a submission I made earlier today to justify a higher price, or replacement cost, for my stolen 97.

We'll see in the next couple weeks how they respond.
I also had about $12K in receipts for "improvements" for #151.

 

Still no word on your car yet? I figured by now you would have heard something?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Well, you could say that this is one of those "whatever your opinion happens to be is correct" things....

1. If you look at the ranges of numbers reported ...[chances of] having zero of them higher than 511 are astronomically small.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You win.

There should probably be a change or addition to the ITRCA number to reflect what you've said.

 

Silver is the rarest worldwide collor for ITR`s , It was offered In JDM market only and there are not that many out there !!

Milano red was offered for JDM and EUDM so it doesn`t make it that rare , where I live there are like 5 Milano Red ITR`s all of them are Japan Imports , I used to own a 1996 Milano Red ITR , my first ITR

PY/Sun Light yellow is common in USDM but in JDM market it is very rare as it has to be TypeRx to be yellow and TypeRx was only made in 2000 and 2001 , production for 2000 and 2001 for the JDM market was #2264 and that number has to be sectioned in 5 collors , Silver , Black , Red , White and Yellow so you could imagine how few were made in SunLight yellow !!

Black/NBP/FBP this collor was offered to all worldwide market , JDM ,EUDM , USDM so there are a pretty good amount out there especially in Japan and Europe.

Championship White also was offered to all the worldwide market , as In USDM market not that many were made, but in JDM and EUDM markets this collor is very common !! Most of the ITR`s in Japan a big persenatge of them are CW , Most of the ITR`s that are Japan Imports that they import to where I live in Europe 80% of them are all CW .

So I think that Sebring Silver or whatever it is called I think that this collor wins the rarest collor for the DC2 ITR

The DC5R were offered in Blue also, but they don`t come in Yellow yet . Hope they make them yellow someday because I think that they will look HOT

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Marlon88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PY/Sun Light yellow is common in USDM but in JDM market it is very rare as it has to be TypeRx to be yellow and TypeRx was only made in 2000 and 2001 , production for 2000 and 2001 for the JDM market was #2264 and that number has to be sectioned in 5 collors , Silver , Black , Red , White and Yellow so you could imagine how few were made in SunLight yellow !!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hi. Is this number for the Rx trim only or for all JDM ITRs in 2000 and 2001? How'd you get this information?

Do you have any more JDM ITR production number information?