why no larger front sway bar available?
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why no larger front sway bar available?
I have had the itr rear sway bar for a while and just finished my koni yellow/hr oe springs install
now i am thinking about upgrading the front sway bar
i believe the itr has the same sized swaybar in front as the other tegs out there.
isnt there any bigger ones available?
i havent ever heard of any, or seen anyone on this board with one
or is it just not an upgrade?
now i am thinking about upgrading the front sway bar
i believe the itr has the same sized swaybar in front as the other tegs out there.
isnt there any bigger ones available?
i havent ever heard of any, or seen anyone on this board with one
or is it just not an upgrade?
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (bob46802)
Increasing the front sway bar size will do nothing but increase understeer - the same thing you were trying to get rid of by putting your ITR bar on.
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (eskram)
Increasing the front sway bar size will do nothing but increase understeer - the same thing you were trying to get rid of by putting your ITR bar on.
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yeah, if your looking for a neutral ride, you basically 'accomplished' that with the thicker rear sway...increasin the front will put you back to where you were....
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (Vtec integra)
Eibach makes a bigger front bar I believe. 25 mm. It's not just size, the material contributes to stiffness also. The 17 mm eibach rear bar is just as stiff as the ITR bar.
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (Eeepers)
The 17 mm eibach rear bar is just as stiff as the ITR bar.
The swaybar stiffness can be calculated by using this formula:
K = 1,125,000 (D^4) / L (B^2)
K is the rate of the swaybar in pounds per inch
D is the diameter of the swaybar
L is the length of the swaybar
B is the length of the swaybar arms (or moment arms)
So, you can see that it isn't possible for a 17mm swaybar to have the same or greater stiffness than a 22mm swaybar.
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (IN VTEC)
Isn't the pupose of a sway bar to reduce body roll which results in the aforementioned steering characteristics?
If so, why wouldn't a slightly larger bar up front help reduce body roll and can't that be the primary goal of a sway bar swap, not necessarily its effects on nuetral handling?
If so, why wouldn't a slightly larger bar up front help reduce body roll and can't that be the primary goal of a sway bar swap, not necessarily its effects on nuetral handling?
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (BSQ)
The 17 mm eibach rear bar is just as stiff as the ITR bar.
This cannot be correct.
The swaybar stiffness can be calculated by using this formula:
K = 1,125,000 (D^4) / L (B^2)
K is the rate of the swaybar in pounds per inch
D is the diameter of the swaybar
L is the length of the swaybar
B is the length of the swaybar arms (or moment arms)
So, you can see that it isn't possible for a 17mm swaybar to have the same or greater stiffness than a 22mm swaybar.
This cannot be correct.
The swaybar stiffness can be calculated by using this formula:
K = 1,125,000 (D^4) / L (B^2)
K is the rate of the swaybar in pounds per inch
D is the diameter of the swaybar
L is the length of the swaybar
B is the length of the swaybar arms (or moment arms)
So, you can see that it isn't possible for a 17mm swaybar to have the same or greater stiffness than a 22mm swaybar.
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (owen_the_soyboy)
The 17 mm eibach rear bar is just as stiff as the ITR bar.
This cannot be correct.
The swaybar stiffness can be calculated by using this formula:
K = 1,125,000 (D^4) / L (B^2)
K is the rate of the swaybar in pounds per inch
D is the diameter of the swaybar
L is the length of the swaybar
B is the length of the swaybar arms (or moment arms)
So, you can see that it isn't possible for a 17mm swaybar to have the same or greater stiffness than a 22mm swaybar.
of course it is possible, the K value for both swaybars may not be the same.
This cannot be correct.
The swaybar stiffness can be calculated by using this formula:
K = 1,125,000 (D^4) / L (B^2)
K is the rate of the swaybar in pounds per inch
D is the diameter of the swaybar
L is the length of the swaybar
B is the length of the swaybar arms (or moment arms)
So, you can see that it isn't possible for a 17mm swaybar to have the same or greater stiffness than a 22mm swaybar.
of course it is possible, the K value for both swaybars may not be the same.
For those that are interested in learning about swaybars, here is a very good primer on swaybars: http://www.grmotorsports.com/antirollbars.html . This article contains a lot of very good information.
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Re: why no larger front sway bar available? (owen_the_soyboy)
The 17 mm eibach rear bar is just as stiff as the ITR bar.
This cannot be correct.
The swaybar stiffness can be calculated by using this formula:
K = 1,125,000 (D^4) / L (B^2)
K is the rate of the swaybar in pounds per inch
D is the diameter of the swaybar
L is the length of the swaybar
B is the length of the swaybar arms (or moment arms)
So, you can see that it isn't possible for a 17mm swaybar to have the same or greater stiffness than a 22mm swaybar.
of course it is possible, the K value for both swaybars may not be the same.
This cannot be correct.
The swaybar stiffness can be calculated by using this formula:
K = 1,125,000 (D^4) / L (B^2)
K is the rate of the swaybar in pounds per inch
D is the diameter of the swaybar
L is the length of the swaybar
B is the length of the swaybar arms (or moment arms)
So, you can see that it isn't possible for a 17mm swaybar to have the same or greater stiffness than a 22mm swaybar.
of course it is possible, the K value for both swaybars may not be the same.
I think some companies make their own endlinks which can change B.
JMHO.
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